H&N T bar design slugs

[rangur1]

Watched Gerhardt slabbert's video. Hopefully I spelled it right. Anyway, I heard him stipulate that H&N are using a "proprietory" mix to gain the max on expansion. Now , I'm not here to crap on H&N. But emperical observation says "What is softer than Lead?" Now I'm sure their T BAR design will help in accuracy with the winds, BUT, better expansion? their pellets are known to be harder than JSB. I can't speak for their slugs, and If I'm wrong , I will be willful in acknowledging my mistake. As of now, I see it as a gimmick.

 

[Cranky1]

I know the varmint grenade bullets were basically a powdered metal inside the copper jacket. But they could be using a higher percentage of lead(softer). I doubt they would use a compressed powdered metal, not really softer but more frangible. 

 

[Babaganoush]

I think H&N is using the usual marketing "Buzz" words to describe their new slugs. This is just my guess...but H&N is large enough to buy pallets of pure Tin, Lead and Antimony, then mix their own "Proprietary" alloys instead of just buying industry standards like 40-1, LinoType...etc. You could always ask them and see if they will list the alloy used.

I know the varmint grenade bullets were basically a powdered metal inside the copper jacket. But they could be using a higher percentage of lead(softer). I doubt they would use a compressed powdered metal, not really softer but more frangible.

I load the 30 grain Varmint Grenades for my old Model 54 in 22 Hornet..man oh man those things do a number on chucks.

Cranky..I dunno if you were thinking like me and wondering why there hasn't been a real hard push into the frangible slug market for airguns yet?

My guess would be the startup cost for the tooling and dies to be made. I think a somewhat hard and thin brittle jacket made from Antimony-Lead filled with metal powder like the Barnes bullet would actually do fairly well in the 900-1000 fps range. 

I'm not gonna lie....but watching sparrows turn into party poppers might make me giggle like a litte kid.

 

[Mike_Lenardon]

You should buy a tin of T-bar slugs and compare them to what you're using now. Quit the speculation and give us some qualitative results.

 

[sonnysan]

It doesn't matter how advanced the projectile is if you can't get it into the end user's hands. Out of all the commercial slugs, h&n is by far hardest to acquire in the states. At least you have a chance with NSA and ZAN. My ease of purchasing based on local and Internet shops:



1. NSA

2. ZAN

3. JSB

4. Javilin

5. H&N

So I primarily look at NSA and ZAN. JSB might be a 3 or 4 month wait. I have a bunch of H&N old stock that was purchased pre-covid. Near the beginning of the pandemic it took nearly six months to get an H&N .218 sampler. These are unrealistic time frames if H&N wants to be competitive in the slug market.

Would love to try .22 heavy slugs from H&N in a Sumatra, career, and wolverine hp. Willing to wait over six months? I'll find something comparative by then. JSB's monster and beasts have already fit the bill.