Grease

[beerthief]

What would be a safe way to test if an unknown grease would Diesel in an springer ? I have a small jar of moly grease from a Chemist friend (deceased ) that developed (@ BP Labs) for use on the Space Station . He said the jar i have would cost about $700 an ounce , Government price from BP ?

 

[Hateful McNasty]

I was reading a post earlier a guy using sillycone and fireed it and " sounded like a .22 rifle" ..lol

Petroleum should under enugh compression . The lighter the oil the easier it will . That non petroleum / sillycone. Just over use added compression .

Best policy i figure and how i try to do is dont let any excess lubes get ahead or in front of the piston seal well clean and dry compression the tube before assembly . / White p towel clean best you can

Anyway i found dont over lube and prevent lubes getting in front of the piston seal in a as oil free clean tube ..

Also nced said his krytox was space station approved as well ... Lol.

Good luck .. i think youll be all right..

 

[stovepipe]

What would be a safe way to test if an unknown grease would Diesel in an springer ? I have a small jar of moly grease from a Chemist friend (deceased ) that developed (@ BP Labs) for use on the Space Station . He said the jar i have would cost about $700 an ounce , Government price from BP ?

Hi beerthief. We like you here and you like your rifle, so please don't TEST an UNKNOWN grease in your springer. There's no SAFE way to test an unknown grease. Please just use whatever grease is KNOWN to be the right stuff.

And when you clean your barrel, don't let any of that barrel-cleaning oil or whatever get into your main spring cylinder. I got careless and let a bit of thin barrel-cleaning oil drip into my main spring cylinder once -- the result was a very loud muzzle pop and my main spring cylinder was no longer a perfectly-shaped cylinder -- kind of plumped up like a ballpark frank.

We like you -- don't do it.

stovepipe

 

[beerthief]

Hi beerthief. We like you here and you like your rifle, so please don't TEST an UNKNOWN grease in your springer. There's no SAFE way to test an unknown grease. Please just use whatever grease is KNOWN to be the right stuff.

And when you clean your barrel, don't let any of that barrel-cleaning oil or whatever get into your main spring cylinder. I got careless and let a bit of thin barrel-cleaning oil drip into my main spring cylinder once -- the result was a very loud muzzle pop and my main spring cylinder was no longer a perfectly-shaped cylinder -- kind of plumped up like a ballpark frank.

We like you -- don't do it.

stovepipe

Thanks it was really just a question i thought of . But the grease is real and in this form was never intended for the public , plus too expensive , i use it in my bicycle bearing's

 

[MOhunter]

What would be a safe way to test if an unknown grease would Diesel in an springer ? I have a small jar of moly grease from a Chemist friend (deceased ) that developed (@ BP Labs) for use on the Space Station . He said the jar i have would cost about $700 an ounce , Government price from BP ?

Good gawd $700/ounce?? If you've got proof it was manufactured for NASA sell it online and buy an new PCP! haha

 

[stovepipe]

My understanding of the grease used in springers (from the old days), is that the grease chosen by the manufacturer of the rifle was specifically designed to burn under the pressure of the main spring compression. The burning grease caused air expansion and increased the pressure behind the pellet beyond what the spring would be able to provide alone. The grease is supposed to burn at a specific rate -- not too fast, not too slow. So a grease that doesn't burn is no good and a grease that explodes is no good. A manufacturer chooses a grease that is somewhere between those extremes.

I don't know if things have changed with springers since the old days -- I haven't looked into it.

stovepipe

 

[beerthief]

My understanding of the grease used in springers (from the old days), is that the grease chosen by the manufacturer of the rifle was specifically designed to burn under the pressure of the main spring compression. The burning grease caused air expansion and increased the pressure behind the pellet beyond what the spring would be able to provide alone. The grease is supposed to burn at a specific rate -- not too fast, not too slow. So a grease that doesn't burn is no good and a grease that explodes is no good. A manufacturer chooses a grease that is somewhere between those extremes.

I don't know if things have changed with springers since the old days -- I haven't looked into it.

stovepipe

Maybe the grease used on early times was just what was available ? I will Email and ask HW .

 

[stovepipe]

Maybe the grease used on early times was just what was available ? I will Email and ask HW .

I'm talking 25 or more years ago -- maybe more. I sometimes referred to my rifle as a springer and other times as my "grease burner". The whole "grease burning" thing was well documented in some articles and very much by design. The grease used was not just what was available. You fired your grease burner and it smelled like freshly-popped popcorn. Edit: And there was a bit of smoke from the barrel.

stovepipe

 

[Hateful McNasty]

This is one of them everybody got there way on what they use and how its used . I guess i tried them all and found its to be the same ol same ol .. i had more snapped springs with krytox but its somthing once that tube was empty i never looked at it again .

Air gun moly like pa or arh sells them s good stuff but ...lol. I feel its just non metallic anti seize worh a high concentrate of moly . Maybe 60/40 or somthing .. still .05 ox at 15$ ..lol. So im still at old fashioned copper neverseize ( beeman lazer lube) ..lol. . ol' r9 and hw gamo , hatsans shopt just fine and dandy just as good of any of yhat pther stuff was used.

So just pick your poison on what lube to try go shoot it snd see. All upu can fo and use is what " you " find is best for "you" .

 

[stovepipe]

Which spring-powered rifle are we talking about here? I want to google-search it.

stovepipe

 

[beerthief]

I'm talking 25 or more years ago -- maybe more. I sometimes referred to my rifle as a springer and other times as my "grease burner". The whole "grease burning" thing was well documented in some articles and very much by design. The grease used was not just what was available. You fired your grease burner and it smelled like freshly-popped popcorn. Edit: And there was a bit of smoke from the barrel.

stovepipe

You do realize that 25 years ago it was year 2000 ! I think of old air guns as 1976 or older . I think any younger guns were made with a more specific formula of grease . OOP'S never know who i'm talking to on AGN your Birthday might / could be 2004 ? then again nothing bad about being younger
Just messing with you here , all in fun.
Stan in Ky.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

You do realize that 25 years ago it was year 2000 ! I think of old air guns as 1976 or older . I think any younger guns were made with a more specific formula of grease . OOP'S never know who i'm talking to on AGN your Birthday might / could be 2004 ? then again nothing bad about being younger
Just messing with you here , all in fun.
Stan in Ky.

Ya, i feel pretty old now after reading that first sentence.. man
.lol. my first beeman was in like late 70 or 80 .. im so old i guess my brain fuzzy just thinking that far back ..

I guess its that old-timers disease i recall hearing abut ..lol

 

[beerthief]

Ya, i feel pretty old now after reading that first sentence.. man
.lol. my first beeman was in like late 70 or 80 .. im so old i guess my brain fuzzy just thinking that far back ..

I guess its that old-timers disease i recall hearing abut ..lol

What ....................... aaaaa ........................... er ............. oh yeah, disease

Actually i picked up a 1925 Webley mark 2 pistol that needs a grease job . Old dry grease

 

[stovepipe]

You do realize that 25 years ago it was year 2000 ! I think of old air guns as 1976 or older . I think any younger guns were made with a more specific formula of grease . OOP'S never know who i'm talking to on AGN your Birthday might / could be 2004 ? then again nothing bad about being younger
Just messing with you here , all in fun.
Stan in Ky.

I was born in 1956. Doesn't matter. I finally remembered that my first springer was a Gamo CFX fixed-barrel underlever cocking springer (grease burner). It was the first generation to come out so that was about 2009 -- not too long ago. Anyway, it came from the factory with very specific grease. A little more searching about the shot cycle of spring piston rifles (in general) revealed that Linseed oil was (maybe still is?) commonly mixed with some kind of grease. The Linseed oil mixed with very rifle-specifc grease-to-oil ratios could increase the muzzle velocity by as much as 85% of what the spring piston alone could give. It was intentional dieseling -- very carefully. I haven't messed with springers for a long time and I'm not up-to-date with the current tech in that area.

stovepipe

 

[beerthief]

I was born in 1956. Doesn't matter. I finally remembered that my first springer was a Gamo CFX fixed-barrel underlever cocking springer (grease burner). It was the first generation to come out so that was about 2009 -- not too long ago. Anyway, it came from the factory with very specific grease. A little more searching about the shot cycle of spring piston rifles (in general) revealed that Linseed oil was (maybe still is?) commonly mixed with some kind of grease. The Linseed oil mixed with very rifle-specifc grease-to-oil ratios could increase the muzzle velocity by as much as 85% of what the spring piston alone could give. It was intentional dieseling -- very carefully. I haven't messed with springers for a long time and I'm not up-to-date with the current tech in that area.

stovepipe

IT just reminded me of thinking of the price of something and almost saying "i remember when that cost " then thinking holy crap that's 40 years ago , Yikes!

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Lol.. my sister told me the price of somthing she bought and i said " your crazy , well i got that for .98¢".

Then seh retorted ". Lkkd when ? 1990 something.." lol

Its funny that you say year 2005 and ot dont seem yjat long ago. Then like you said. Its 30 years ago. Seems more like last week