My main pcp’s are big and heavy and for my size and strength unwieldy. I would like something balanced for offhand as well as naturally pointable. Bullpups look easy to hold (not end heavy) but maybe twitchy/unsteady. The steyrs look like they would fit the bill but I’ve never shot one. Not happy about how loud they are. Otherwise it will be a hard grind at the gym before I can offhand my RAW!
Good offhand rifle—point & shoot!
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...Air Force rifles come to mind...they are long but they point for me...not too heavy...this is why I have one...
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15-40yds mostly and small vermin (squirrels, crows, sparrows,starlings).
Had not even considered them—will now.
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Most good quality traditional rifles balance and point well. BSA synthetic stocks have extra weight in the butT of the stock and parlance well. also check out FX Dreamline FT chassis guns with extra weight in the back or any FT/field target guns which are made to shoot off hand. I also found out light weight guns actually isn’t good or steady for offhand, you need heavier guns to be steady actually, it’s matter of balance.
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A bullpup or carbine should fit the bill. Lots of accurate guns in that range. The new Benjamin Akela should be a great budget choice. Typically sub ¾" at 50 yards if using the same barrels as the Kral guns. Looks like a wildcat with a great looking wood stock at ⅓ the price. Use the AGnation code on the crosman website and it's under $500 shipped. 
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Consider the AA/CZ 200. Light, relatively short, very accurate but they are limited in power and pretty much gone from the market expect for leftover 10m versions or looking for a used 12fpe version. I have the Altaros version (had others years ago). Mine might be on the market soon but have 2 other rifles to sort out before I even take it down from the rack.
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Take a look at the Brocock line of guns. My buddy has one. I love shooting it off hand. I think they might be onto something with the semi-bullpup design. I have owned quite a few true bullpups. Only one of them is a good offhand gun. All the rest are bag or bipod guns. Oh, my FX Dreamtac compact is a decent offhand gun. Had to try 3 different AR stocks but it’s good now.
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Personally, in a conventional type air rifle, the fx tarantula is my favorite, otherwise its my edguns all the way, or the likes of.
I acknowledge that tarantulas are not easy to come by but they are accurate and are extremely nice to handle/shoot.
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I acknowledge that tarantulas are not easy to come by but they are accurate and are extremely nice to handle/shoot.
I find myself extremely bored today and finding myself reposonding to posts more than usual, so don't mind me!
Cheers
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The guns that I have are what I am going by. Taipan Veteran standard is better to me than the long for what you want. Daystate Regal,is very nice,but lower power. Daystate Wolverine R standard power. They are about six inches shorter than the HP,but that six inches makes a difference because of the leverage. The Condor SS is nice with a Wok Guard and Wok But from Talon Tunes. You really need a chronograph to tune them. There are plenty of Condor people that can help with that Jack Rafter,out?
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At 15 to 40 yards, a .22 Wildcat will smoke your vermin.
Compact and pointable, good power, quiet, and as accurate as you are capable of holding.
Compact and pointable, good power, quiet, and as accurate as you are capable of holding.
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This is way too subjective to give good advice. You mentioned your RAW was too heavy, but my Taipan Veteran Standard is heavier than my RAW, and of course the balance is different. The only significantly lighter rifle I own that might be good for you, is an FX Royale 400. I think it is about 8.5 pounds with scope, longer than the Veteran, shorter than the RAW. My Red Wolf is heavier than the Royale, lighter than the RAW and, to me, is well balanced for offhand shooting. Sometimes, a tweak in technique can offset a certain amount of weight, being sure you are maximizing skeletal support and not putting too much strain on muscles.
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Lot’s of information for me to digest. Now I need to do some research but at least I have a narrowed field.
This is unfortunately all too true especially since I’m asking about handling characteristics which are arguably the most subjective property of a rifle. I’m so handicapped by not being able to shoot all of these guns mentioned.
So far wildcat is ahead in recomends. I’m guessing they use fx tube barrels? Till now I’ve avoided FX due to all the hype and endless tinkering seemingly required which is fine for experimental or benchrest work but I want a gun that I can pick up and just shoot with predictable performance and zero. It’s that line between airgunning as the sport vs airguns as the sport. Where to buy one? I’ve no experience with bullpups. Well let me amend that—I do shoot 3gun with a Steyr AUG and boy can I get on target fast with it and at any angle.
Two months ago I was set to buy a Leyla .22 but none were available. High above bore scope mounting complicates close shots, probably why I like iron sights on “yard” guns. I started into pcp’s with an AirWolf MCT so never looked at Benjamin’s or noticed how much they have evolved. They now make a serious line of guns. My Daystate definitely has a bad balance and forearm is much too broad/big to grip. With RAW I can shoot targets offhand ( forearm balanced on my fist) but not at moving targets or odd angles. Really long rifle.
The field target guns are .177 which I don’t rule out but was thinking.22 for killing power and yet safer down range than .25. The reason I mentioned the Steyr was it was slim and looked like it could be pointed much like a shotgun (point & shoot). Thinking just now about my AUG it may well be that I will be able to shoot bullpup airguns effectively.
This is unfortunately all too true especially since I’m asking about handling characteristics which are arguably the most subjective property of a rifle. I’m so handicapped by not being able to shoot all of these guns mentioned.
So far wildcat is ahead in recomends. I’m guessing they use fx tube barrels? Till now I’ve avoided FX due to all the hype and endless tinkering seemingly required which is fine for experimental or benchrest work but I want a gun that I can pick up and just shoot with predictable performance and zero. It’s that line between airgunning as the sport vs airguns as the sport. Where to buy one? I’ve no experience with bullpups. Well let me amend that—I do shoot 3gun with a Steyr AUG and boy can I get on target fast with it and at any angle.
Two months ago I was set to buy a Leyla .22 but none were available. High above bore scope mounting complicates close shots, probably why I like iron sights on “yard” guns. I started into pcp’s with an AirWolf MCT so never looked at Benjamin’s or noticed how much they have evolved. They now make a serious line of guns. My Daystate definitely has a bad balance and forearm is much too broad/big to grip. With RAW I can shoot targets offhand ( forearm balanced on my fist) but not at moving targets or odd angles. Really long rifle.
The field target guns are .177 which I don’t rule out but was thinking.22 for killing power and yet safer down range than .25. The reason I mentioned the Steyr was it was slim and looked like it could be pointed much like a shotgun (point & shoot). Thinking just now about my AUG it may well be that I will be able to shoot bullpup airguns effectively.
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If I were buying an air rifle specifically for offhand shooting, I would look at a cylinder gun rather than bottle, with a more firearm-like stock design. The new Daystate Revere and Weihrauch HW100 come to mind. But again, it's a personal preference.
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