Always nice when Mike Driskill takes the time to chime in. After many, many years I consider Mike THE Weihrauch expert.
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Thanks Kevin! Hope you are doing great - and that sounded so much better than, "Oh man, the trivia nerd is at it again!" LOL. 
It helps that the original HW 50 is one of my very favorite guns, such a solidly made old beauty. Your R8 is a sterling example, and here's a few oldies:
It helps that the original HW 50 is one of my very favorite guns, such a solidly made old beauty. Your R8 is a sterling example, and here's a few oldies:
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Thanks Kevin! Hope you are doing great - and that sounded so much better than, "Oh man, the trivia nerd is at it again!" LOL.
It helps that the original HW 50 is one of my very favorite guns, such a solidly made old beauty. Your R8 is a sterling example, and here's a few oldies:
Mike, always nice to have options LOL! Curious as to when you plan on designing the large addition to your home to accommodate your fine airgun collection.
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I appreciate everyone's kind words. It's great to be where one's obsessions are appreciated, LOL! A bit more geek-level info on the guns in the pic, top to bottom:
+ HW 50 no. 713xx (1958). This has the long trigger block, but a pre-Rekord trigger. Plain open sight, no scope grooves. The stock is an upgrade model with buttplate and grip checkering.
+ HW 50S no. 2601xx (1967). Rekord trigger and 13 mm scope grooves. This slim, rounded, and plain - but very well-balanced and comfortable - stock, is the standard one sold for many years on the 50. The rear sight is a fixed-groove Williams, made exclusively for Air Rifle Headquarters (ARH).
+ HW 50E Bayern-style beech stock from ARH. It is very similar to a HW 35 walnut upgrade stock available in the 70's. I( believe that ARH invented the "E" designation, in Europe the stock was simply an option with no special name.)
+ HW 50S no. 7967xx (1980). 11 mm scope grooves. Monte Carlo beech stock, again very similar to an HW 35 walnut upgrade of the day. For a time Beeman sold this stock on all his HW 50's, but it was an option in Europe.
+ Beeman R8 no. 9600xx (1983). This was a 50S action with plastic seals, cross-bolt safety, and - most famously - Beeman's elegant and exclusive Goudy-influenced stock.
+ HW 50 no. 713xx (1958). This has the long trigger block, but a pre-Rekord trigger. Plain open sight, no scope grooves. The stock is an upgrade model with buttplate and grip checkering.
+ HW 50S no. 2601xx (1967). Rekord trigger and 13 mm scope grooves. This slim, rounded, and plain - but very well-balanced and comfortable - stock, is the standard one sold for many years on the 50. The rear sight is a fixed-groove Williams, made exclusively for Air Rifle Headquarters (ARH).
+ HW 50E Bayern-style beech stock from ARH. It is very similar to a HW 35 walnut upgrade stock available in the 70's. I( believe that ARH invented the "E" designation, in Europe the stock was simply an option with no special name.)
+ HW 50S no. 7967xx (1980). 11 mm scope grooves. Monte Carlo beech stock, again very similar to an HW 35 walnut upgrade of the day. For a time Beeman sold this stock on all his HW 50's, but it was an option in Europe.
+ Beeman R8 no. 9600xx (1983). This was a 50S action with plastic seals, cross-bolt safety, and - most famously - Beeman's elegant and exclusive Goudy-influenced stock.
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It's all fascinating to me especially to see the photos of old!
My two HW50S rifles are "cutaway" stocked and chambered for .20. What's new in this besides the caliber and the cutaway buttstock?
Kindly,
My two HW50S rifles are "cutaway" stocked and chambered for .20. What's new in this besides the caliber and the cutaway buttstock?
Kindly,
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Gun #2 has a williams peep sight, #3 has a weihrauch diopter and #4 has an anschutz diopter. What Mike modestly didn't show is the variety of adjustable iris's that make these sights very versatile and amazingly effective. Mike has cost me a lot of money but the journey has been a blast with his sight recommendations.
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Hi John
The last two posts on the first page of this thread cover the physical differences, and historical background, of the two "HW 50" guns. Again current guns (like yours) were originally called the "HW 99" and are very different internally from my old guns here, even though the action is about the same external dimensions.
The old 50's are about 700 FPS guns on a good day, LOL, where the new ones are 800+.
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Here is the (really kinda flimsy) open sight on the 1958 model 50. Again, no receiver grooves, it's this or nothing!
This is the Williams-made, "ARH 624" sight on the 1970's gun. Very similar to their current sights, but has a fixed dovetail that slides right onto the gun and is secured by a screw on top of the base.
This is a typical vintage Weihrauch match diopter sight. Heavily made, and note how the rear section drops below the top of the receiver. The big flat thumbscrew on the top mates with one of the two or three holes on top of the receiver to position the sight. (Note, these sights were made with both 13mm and 11mm grooves; if you run across one, be sure it fits your gun.)
Here's an old Anschutz 6702 sight on an HW 55. There are a variety of older Anschutz models in steel and alloy, which fit any HW made to this day with 11mm grooves. I love them - a bit more compact, lighter, and more precise than the HW sight, plus leaves more room for your thumb behind the receiver tube! The bottom two guns in my original HS 50 pic above have Anschutz sights that I just quickly slid on for the shot.
This is the Williams-made, "ARH 624" sight on the 1970's gun. Very similar to their current sights, but has a fixed dovetail that slides right onto the gun and is secured by a screw on top of the base.
This is a typical vintage Weihrauch match diopter sight. Heavily made, and note how the rear section drops below the top of the receiver. The big flat thumbscrew on the top mates with one of the two or three holes on top of the receiver to position the sight. (Note, these sights were made with both 13mm and 11mm grooves; if you run across one, be sure it fits your gun.)
Here's an old Anschutz 6702 sight on an HW 55. There are a variety of older Anschutz models in steel and alloy, which fit any HW made to this day with 11mm grooves. I love them - a bit more compact, lighter, and more precise than the HW sight, plus leaves more room for your thumb behind the receiver tube! The bottom two guns in my original HS 50 pic above have Anschutz sights that I just quickly slid on for the shot.
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WARNING! This is what happens when you listen to Mike Driskill about improving sights on springers, especially Weihrauch's.
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WARNING! This is what happens when you listen to Mike Driskill about improving sights on springers, especially Weihrauch's.
I have a question about the variable iris device on your photo at about 9 o'clock, placed on the photo between the older Walther rear sight on top, and the Seibert iris below. I have the same iris, shown here on a Walther LGV. What is the manufacturer of this? (not the typical
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That's very interesting! I've never seen one like it. Definitely seems influenced at least by Hensholdt or Seibert, since it uses the the click-wheel type of aperture disk, instead of the sliding-leaf type as on newer Gehmanns, etc. Parker-Hale and Haenel also made eyepieces that work similarly, but it doesn't otherwise look much like one of those.
Also don't know about the smaller thread. The dimensions you note are even smaller than the typical US 11/32 x 40 eyepiece thread. I know Gehmann makes accessories for a "Sauer-Busk" thread that is smaller than the typical European M9.5 x 1.0, but I've never seen one of those.
Beautiful LGVT by the way, and that was ingenious to use the eyepiece as an adapter!
Also don't know about the smaller thread. The dimensions you note are even smaller than the typical US 11/32 x 40 eyepiece thread. I know Gehmann makes accessories for a "Sauer-Busk" thread that is smaller than the typical European M9.5 x 1.0, but I've never seen one of those.
Beautiful LGVT by the way, and that was ingenious to use the eyepiece as an adapter!
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I don’t have any guns with Diopter sights. I don’t know why, but I think they look so cool. Some day for sure. ( the bucket list grows daily here)
Glad I’m sitting, just looking at this stuff makes me weak in the knees. Thanks again for sharing all this information and pics. Crow
Glad I’m sitting, just looking at this stuff makes me weak in the knees. Thanks again for sharing all this information and pics. Crow
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In my time before the new HW50s in .177 and .22 I liked the medium size and accuracy. But I ended up prefering HW95s over that model until I got two of the HW50s recently made from AOA in .20 selling for a few dollars more.
Having duplicates I've shot and others have shot beside me (I always shot the "new" one for control or comparison) BOTH one after the other and the other guy is half my age as a professional carpenter familiar with these sorts of things.
This explains our success together open and glass sighted at 25 yards.
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Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge, some very interesting sights and awesome rifles.
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The next springer for hunting in 22 cal? The 44 , 56 , 95 tax 200 . It’s a tough decision because there are some great springers to choose from. I’m trying to purchase a 45 177 in great condition and a 27 177 in good condition. Does anyone have any recommendations on fair prices for these.
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