Huben GK1 for max accuracy beyond 50 yards and up to 100 yards - slugs or pellets?

[Ultralight]

Curious, for those of you accuracy enthusiasts who have tested both pellets and slugs with the GK1. Distance of at least 50 yards and beyond. 100 yards would be great!

What specific pellets and slugs did you test? Would love to hear what you learned.

Thank you!

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Added: This is assuming that one transforms the GK1 into a carbine and has a properly powered scope. Thanks.

 

[steve-l]

I find the GK1 extremely accurate, but shooting any pistol at 100 yards is happen chance. It's a pistol. You might hit your target if you are lucky. If your primary targets are at that distance, use a rifle.

 

[beerthief]

I find the GK1 extremely accurate, but shooting any pistol at 100 yards is happen chance. It's a pistol. You might hit your target if you are lucky. If your primary targets are at that distance, use a rifle.

I saw a world champion pistol shooter hit 8 INCH GONG @ 100 yards . took a lot of math and 3 shots with a 44 Mag PB pistol your welcome to try .
HE also was aiming 28 inches above the gong .

 

[steve-l]

I shot metal silhouette for years with pistols. The targets were side on silhouettes chickens at 50 yards, something at 100, Turkeys at 150 yards and javelina pigs at 200 yards. These targets were made of 3/8" tensile steel. They not only had to be hit, but they must be knocked down to count. Small calibers and light loads did not work. Even 357 magnum service loads were unreliable. Big bores and heavy bullets was the plan to compete. Air gun pistols are happen chance. Yes, you can occasionally hit a pigeon at 100 yards, but it just pisses them off, even a 25 cal

With my GK1 in .25, at 700 fps with a JSB 25.4 grain pellet, I hold over about 30 inches at 100 meters. I will hit a 6 x 8 inch steel plate about 4 out of 10 shots with no wind from a rest.

 

[Ultralight]

Thank you all! I've gone back and added to my post.

Instead of pistol format, this is assuming one can also convert it to a carbine set up and higher powered scope....

I've seen a couple of people who have claimed and provided either video or picture of their targets to hit MOA at no less than 100 yards. I'm assuming those are outliers but I'm nonetheless curious if slugs or pellets are more accurate above 50 and maybe at 100.

Thanks.

 

[Savagefox]

I would go for a medium weight slug, or really heavy pellet, because more weight means better power retention at long distances and at the power config you will have to run the gun, the vast majority of pellets (light) will travel faster enough to aproach or enter the transonic region and become unstable. You will notice the transonic region for the "farting" effect of the pellet traveling the air.

About wich shape is best.. it depends, I usually found hard to encounter slugs that group better than pellets, but I'm shooting at pistol ranges and at low power.

 

[steve-l]

There is no question when it comes down to ballistic efficiency between slugs and pellets. Slugs are proven to be superior. That\s not the question to be asked. The real question is should you be using higher priced slugs in pistols when that advantage exceeds the effective use of the platform? I think not.

 

[Ultralight]

There is no question when it comes down to ballistic efficiency between slugs and pellets. Slugs are proven to be superior. That\s not the question to be asked. The real question is should you be using higher priced slugs in pistols when that advantage exceeds the effective use of the platform? I think not.

I suppose this depends on the application. If one wants to hunt elusive small critters over long distances, then the end goal may trump the cost per shot.

 

[steve-l]

I suppose this depends on the application. If one wants to hunt elusive small critters over long distances, then the end goal may trump the cost per shot.

That would be true if the platform was appropriate. Air pistols at those distances are just wrong. Even rifles at that distance do not humanely kill.

 

[Ultralight]

That would be true if the platform was appropriate. Air pistols at those distances are just wrong. Even rifles at that distance do not humanely kill.

Fair point. Perhaps I need to redefine 'long distance.' In this case, my original post was 50 yards to 100 yards. Given that the Gk1 can do 50 ft/lbs all day long, I'd think 50 yards is fair with proper accuracy and 100 yards is still fair IF it is accurate.

Take a 25.4 grain pellet with BC of .38 starting at 50 ft/lbs. At 100 yards, it is still over 25 ft/lbs. More than enough for smaller animals - assuming good enough accuracy. Some with the GK1 have claimed MOA at that distance with their units. There's a reason why GK1 is so popular in Carbine setups. A small aftermarket industry has popped up around the GK1. (For me, I find it intriguing that one can get a carbine with 50 ft/lbs that weighs under 3 lbs without scope and can break down into a small case.)

Thinking out loud here....

 

[steve-l]

Fair point. Perhaps I need to redefine 'long distance.' In this case, my original post was 50 yards to 100 yards. Given that the Gk1 can do 50 ft/lbs all day long, I'd think 50 yards is fair with proper accuracy and 100 yards is still fair IF it is accurate.

Take a 25.4 grain pellet with BC of .38 starting at 50 ft/lbs. At 100 yards, it is still over 25 ft/lbs. More than enough for smaller animals - assuming good enough accuracy. Some with the GK1 have claimed MOA at that distance with their units. There's a reason why GK1 is so popular in Carbine setups. A small aftermarket industry has popped up around the GK1. (For me, I find it intriguing that one can get a carbine with 50 ft/lbs that weighs under 3 lbs without scope and can break down into a small case.)

Thinking out loud here....

You obviously disagree with my assessment. That's your call. Try it and see. Then get back to the forum with your results.

 

[Ultralight]

You obviously disagree with my assessment. That's your call. Try it and see. Then get back to the forum with your results.

Thanks for the interaction. For me, it is not a matter of agreement or disagreement, but asking about objective data based on physical realities.

My first exposure to the GK1 long distance was at 69 yards. My buddy hunt, including quail. He set up many small bottles at 69 yards. Quail is easily double the size of the bottles. Except for 1 shot where I pulled or it was a flyer, the GK1 made contact on every single shot, mostly dead center. It eventually got to the point where we attempted to hit the CAP of the bottle at 69 yards, and it hit the throat of the bottle. This was at 30 ft/lbs with the GTOs. Slight wind. At 69 yards, it was still running about 14 ft/lbs, plenty for quail which requires only about 6ft/lbs. The pellet has BC of only .022. If we used the 25.4 JSBs, at 0.38 BC, without changing any power settings, it would still be at 24 ft/lbs at 69 yards. That is plenty for a lot of critters.

So that's my 1st actual introduction to GK1 at distance. Again, for me it is not a matter of agreement or disagreement, but what actual physical data I witness. This is why I dialogue on these forums - to learn.

All of this leads me to ask which is more accurate - slugs or pellets. Can't hurt to squeeze max accuracy out of any platform.

 

[longdog]

The idea of this is ridiculous…….much less the actual practically

 

[Ultralight]

The idea of this is ridiculous…….much less the actual practically

How so? Care to explain? Do you mean it is ridiculous to ask if slugs or pellets are more accurate out of GK1 50 yards and beyond? Or that one would dare to think of hunting with the GK1 beyond 50 yards? Something else?

I've already shared my experience in terms of actual performance at 69 yards. I don't think the target at 69 yards care if the projectile came out of a pistol or rifle as long as it is on target and possess enough energy to do the job. The GK1 can put out similar energy as some rifles so it seems to be a valid question.

 

[longdog]

It’s not.
Enjoy your dreams.