FX guns seem to rule the roost at the last benchrest; where were the Daystates?
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Had to send my crown back due to poor consistency and regulator creep, Hoping it comes back grouping better as my old bsa outperforms it considerably.
Not what you would expect when laying out that kind of money, Their quality control most certainly needs improvement.
@DHart
I agree, While you can end up with an under-performing rifle from almost any company, The Red Wolf and Wolverines seems to be having a lot less issues than the Impact and the Crown looking at various forums.
If mine comes back with no significant improvement i will be looking to exchange it for the Red Wolf
Not what you would expect when laying out that kind of money, Their quality control most certainly needs improvement.
@DHart
I agree, While you can end up with an under-performing rifle from almost any company, The Red Wolf and Wolverines seems to be having a lot less issues than the Impact and the Crown looking at various forums.
If mine comes back with no significant improvement i will be looking to exchange it for the Red Wolf
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Doesn't make sense to me… as the RedWolf HP in 22 & 25 uses LW polygonal barrel. Same as the RAW. Not sure if the regular RW uses the poly barrel or not.
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As far as the Crown goes I have heard many .25 owners raving about them, especially at longer distances, perhaps thats it, if you go .25 you are much more likely to have a better performing gun?
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It follows centerfire in a lot of ways, I was confused many many years ago by long range shooters giving an MOA value for a gun, but at a distance.
What I mean by this (and I have owned and shot most calibers) is that super accurate up close and at long range with the same gun sometimes aren't the case.
Some very average shooting custom .308 rifles at 100 yards, particularly when shot with VLD bullets don't shoot one hole groups, however once past the 600 yard mark the dispersion of the bullets is much lower, hence a 1MOA GUN @ 1000 yards is of much greater value to a long range shooter than a gun that only shoots 1 MOA @ 100? HOWEVER they can actually be the same gun, does that make sense?
Where I first learned this was when I took up the 6mm calibers, 6PPC in a Stolle Panda, then 6BR in a Nesika, both would shoot one hole groups with the light bullets 14 twist at 100 yards, but shoot them at 300 and accuraccy was horrible!
Put an 8 twist on the 6BR and shoot 105-107 match bullets and groups at 100 were good but not like the PPC, however go to 600 and 1" 5 shot groups were common.
This has a lot to do with the stability of the projectile and it is believed that some of the longer bullets that require a fast twist dont actually spin or fully gyroscopically stabilise at short distances, much the same as the .308 going through the transonic barrier at around 800 yards with certain bullets where wobble starts to be induced due to the bullet loosing velocity and hence stability.
If you watch some of Teds videos he shows pellets in slow-mo flying almost like a corkscrew or badminton shuttlecock, not straight, velocity was deemed to be the major factor for this, but hang on! gyroscopic stability is a factor of both speed and barrel twist rate combined! so perhaps FX/RAW etc. know that .25 cal shooters will expect accuracy at longer distances and therefore design barrels to perform in this way and almost sacrifice short range groups to achieve it? almost certainly with the same pellet used for both duties anyway?
Daystates roots are in England, with power levels of 12FT velocities are much lower and distances are shorter, all UK shooters would expect good groups at 25 yards and this would probably be the benchmark for UK airgun accuraccy and .177 is king, with limited power longer distances become unrealistic due to projectile stability? but hang on, as above in Ted's video as I said, slowing down the pellet in the HW100 gave markedly better results at longer distances as shown in the slow-mo videos.
Daystate understands the USA market is way more valuable than the UK market because of volumes and the UK restrictions, so maybe there is a move in the point at which a gun is designed to perform at?
If you arent asleep by now it's food for thought anyway.
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Tony! Welcome back. Are you back with Daystate now? I hope Daystate has a strong showing this year. Competition is a good thing because in the end the consumer is the winner.
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One thing to keep in mind is that while it seems like more people are complaining about their FX guns than the Daystate RW group that probably has more to do with how many of each are being sold right now. and it tends to be the way it goes that when someone has trouble with their expensive toy, the first thing most like to do is hit the forums and commiserate with the others that have had problems (some even self inflicted). But if you totaled all the unfortunate individuals up and compared it to total numbers of guns sold by whatever company they are bad mouthing, it would be a very small percentage. No where near as many people hit the forums with good news about their great new gun (some do) but as soon as a gun doesn't live up to all the expectations we put on it while we awaited it's arrival, we can't wait to tell everyone how we got taken and the gun is junk. I wonder how many guns go back for repair and just end up being retuned to correct the owners experiments ?
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Pictured are my most recent PCP acquisitions: 
I enjoy playing with all of them for different reasons, i.e. their various characteristics. Based on my recent ravings about the FX Impact and the Vulcan2 Tactic, I now feel compelled to highlight the FX Wildcat.
The Wildcat is light, compact, quiet and very accurate. Of the guns pictured, I would choose the Wildcat first if planning to take a walk through the woods. That is not to say this bullpup takes a backseat to any of the pictured guns when shooting from the bench.
Any nagging issues with my FX guns have been so minor as to be solved by me, a total novice, wholly lacking in mechanical skills.
PS. Not pictured is my beloved Daystate Regal XL .177 cal. I will never part will that beautiful -- not to mention accurate and hassle-free -- rifle.
I enjoy playing with all of them for different reasons, i.e. their various characteristics. Based on my recent ravings about the FX Impact and the Vulcan2 Tactic, I now feel compelled to highlight the FX Wildcat.
The Wildcat is light, compact, quiet and very accurate. Of the guns pictured, I would choose the Wildcat first if planning to take a walk through the woods. That is not to say this bullpup takes a backseat to any of the pictured guns when shooting from the bench.
Any nagging issues with my FX guns have been so minor as to be solved by me, a total novice, wholly lacking in mechanical skills.
PS. Not pictured is my beloved Daystate Regal XL .177 cal. I will never part will that beautiful -- not to mention accurate and hassle-free -- rifle.
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Pictured are my most recent PCP acquisitions:
I enjoy playing with all of them for different reasons, i.e. their various characteristics. Based on my recent ravings about the FX Impact and the Vulcan2 Tactic, I now feel compelled to highlight the FX Wildcat.
The Wildcat is light, compact, quiet and very accurate. Of the guns pictured, I would choose the Wildcat first if planning to take a walk through the woods. That is not to say this bullpup takes a backseat to any of the pictured guns when shooting from the bench.
Any nagging issues with my FX guns have been so minor as to be solved by me, a total novice, wholly lacking in mechanical skills.
PS. Not pictured is my beloved Daystate Regal XL .177 cal. I will never part will that beautiful -- not to mention accurate and hassle-free -- rifle.
Nice assembly of air rifles, 2many! It appears that you may have two-many Impacts? Different calibers?
Regarding the Wildcat MkII, that -and the Streamline- still hold quite a bit of attraction for me. Probably in .25 cal.
I've been told by a seasoned pro in the air gun industry, but don't know from first hand experience, that the .177 caliber is not such a great marriage with FX rifles - that Daystate tends to be a better choice of platform in that caliber. But in .25 caliber, I think FX may really come into their own?
When Grasshopper asked the wise old sage how many air rifles would be 'enough', he replied "Just one more, Grasshopper, just one more."
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You can never have too many air guns, (most especially not the fine FX Impact), my username notwithstanding.
The plan is to tune one of the Impacts at HP .22 caliber. I just can't decide which rifle will be the smaller caliber. Right now both Impacts are in .25 caliber, shooting at 56-58fpe.
The plan is to tune one of the Impacts at HP .22 caliber. I just can't decide which rifle will be the smaller caliber. Right now both Impacts are in .25 caliber, shooting at 56-58fpe.
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