FWB 800 FT versus Steyr LG110 FT

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Hello

I'm currently practicing Field Target shooting with my FX Bobcat MK2 .22. I'm shooting at medium power (669 fps). I'm learning the basic shooting for Hunter Field Target right now. I'm currently working on reducing my inch groups at 40 yards right now. My question for the group is this, if you were looking for a high end field target rifle .177, would you pick the FWB 800 FT, the Steyr LG110 FT, or another rifle. 

Here are some of my requirements.

1. It needs to be regulated. I have looked at and owned a Daystate Wolverine B .177 and didn't like the bell curve for the shot string. It wasn't a big bell curve but it was still there. My Bobcat is regulated and I only have a 15 - 20 FPS spread for the entire string.
2. I'd like to be able to purchase the rifle for American field target. So I want it to shoot around 16 - 19 Ft/lbs or around 900 FPS. But I would like to be able to convert it down to 11 - 12 Ft/lbs if needed. I have ask Air Guns of Arizona about the FWB 800 FT and they stated it can be converted. I also talked to Percision AirGuns and they stated the Steyr LG110 FT can also be converted.
3. I'd like to be able to fill the rifle without having to take the air tube out. This is one issue I have with the FWB 800 FT. I was told the Steyr LG110 FT has this option.
4. And this is the most important, accuracy.

Please let me know what your thoughts are. I'm open to all opinions. 

Thanks

Scott
 
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I too have been researching this identical debate you have here. I own a wolverine b hilite .22 that I hunt with. Love the gun. My next pcp is going to be either a .25 caliber or a .177 caliber. No need for another .22. Down here in louisiana......my hunting shots are rarely past 60 yards.....usually alot closer. I think I would prefer the .177 12 ft lb pcp more. Been getting into pesting situations around barns and livestock with really close shots. I could use the .177 for this as well as benchrest. Right now Im considering a daystate griffin, wolverine type c, fwb 800ft, or steyr. Still researching too. A Thomas with the extra field target stock would be nice......but most expensive too. Probably stretching it too far to go that route. The daystate options are at least repeaters. So many options..........even the fwb 800 basic field target looks good.
 
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Thanks for the reply. 

I was also looking at the FX Impact in .25. Ted's Holdover has done some great video's on it. He was getting 1 inch groups at 100 yards. I also like the idea have being able to install different calibers on the FX Impact. Also there are so many ways to adjust the power levels. 

I'm with you though, I don't know if I need a .25. I'm really trying to start shooting Field Target. So I need an accurate .177. 

If you hear about any other brands, please let me know.

I did have a Daystate Wolverine B .177 but I didn't like the magazine. Also I couldn't get any good groups at 40 yards. I'm lucky in that I have a pie shaped lot and I have 40 yards in the back yard corner to corner. Also living in Mesa, AZ, there are block walls around all the homes. So I have a good back stop.

The main reason I didn't like the Wolverine was that it didn't have a regulator option from Daystate. But I did find a third party one that seem to work pretty well. 

So that is one of my main requirements for my new .177 a regulator.

Good luck looking for a new gun.

Scott
 
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Despite a long wait.....a RAW is definitely another option I forgot to mention. The LRT or the BM models would be prime for what you are looking for. This is also something I am considering. Im sure I will not go the wolverine c route.....I want a stock fore end that is flat and parallel to the barrel...as well as the toe of the butt stock flat and parallel to the barrel. This definitely improves consistency from shot to shot off the bench.....its a definite advantage.
 
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For a 12 FPE rig the Air Arms FPT900 is hard to beat.

http://www.airgundepot.com/air-arms-ftp-900-air-rifle.html

Chris Berry in out FT club said it was the most accurate rifle he had up until he got the Thomas FT. And Chris has had a lot of air rifles, from Steyr , to Daystate, RAW, etc

Chris now has two Thomas air rifles.
Our top shooters are shooting the Thomas and the Steyr LG110. With a couple of Hunter class shooters cleaning the Hunter division with a Will Piatt tuned Evanix Rainstorm, and and John with his FX Independence.

The Sightron SIII 10-50X60 is one of the top scopes at our club, unless you can afford the March line of scopes.



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"AzGunFun"."....Daystate Wolverine B .22 cal that is amazingly accurate."


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John, no disrespect intended but "amazingly accurate" is very subjective. I thought several rifles I owned were extremely accurate until I went to a local benchrest competition a few weeks ago and one of the shooters was kind enough to let me try their RAW BR rig (I don't remember what specific RAW rifle it was). WOW, is all I can say. I now have a new definition of accurate. 

Maybe some specifics in your post would help. 
 
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"svhopta"Hello

I'm currently practicing Field Target shooting with my FX Bobcat MK2 .22. I'm shooting at medium power (669 fps). I'm learning the basic shooting for Hunter Field Target right now. I'm currently working on reducing my inch groups at 40 yards right now. My question for the group is this, if you were looking for a high end field target rifle .177, would you pick the FWB 800 FT, the Steyr LG110 FT, or another rifle. 

Here are some of my requirements.

1. It needs to be regulated. I have looked at and owned a Daystate Wolverine B .177 and didn't like the bell curve for the shot string. It wasn't a big bell curve but it was still there. My Bobcat is regulated and I only have a 15 - 20 FPS spread for the entire string.
2. I'd like to be able to purchase the rifle for American field target. So I want it to shoot around 16 - 19 Ft/lbs or around 900 FPS. But I would like to be able to convert it down to 11 - 12 Ft/lbs if needed. I have ask Air Guns of Arizona about the FWB 800 FT and they stated it can be converted. I also talked to Percision AirGuns and they stated the Steyr LG110 FT can also be converted.
3. I'd like to be able to fill the rifle without having to take the air tube out. This is one issue I have with the FWB 800 FT. I was told the Steyr LG110 FT has this option.
4. And this is the most important, accuracy.

Please let me know what your thoughts are. I'm open to all opinions. 

Thanks

Scott
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Scott,
i shoot a LG-110 HP hunting in 177 at 18 FT lb. the factory target at 50 meters shows a five shot group of a bit over 1/4 inch ( in an indoor range). I wish I could duplicate that outdoors in the wind.
I have no experience with the FWB but my Steyr has a quick fill on the front end of the air cylinder behind the pressure gauge.
Tony
 
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Thanks John for the offer on the Daystate Wolverine but my number one need for my Field Target rifle is it needs to be regulated. 

Tony: thanks for the response on the accuracy of the LG-110. 1/4 inch group at 50 yards is great. With my FX Bobcat MK2 .22 on Medium power (669 fps) I can hit a 1/2 inch circle about 75% of the time at 30 yards. I'm also hitting a 1 inch target about 85% of the time at 40 yards. These targets are hard to expert level on the Troyer chart for Field Target. This currently is with a sitting bipod. I just ordered a Rowan Engineering Hamster that I will use on my Bobcat for practice. Then I can move it to my new field target rifle when I purchase one. I have a lot of practice to do but I enjoy the sport.

With everything I have read and youtubes I've watch, I'm leaning toward the LG-110. It has all the options I want in a field target rifle. I will probably purchase the 18lb version to start. I also talked to the guys at www.precisionairgunsandsupplies.com. The tech told me that I can purchase some additional parts to convert it down to a 12lb version if I wanted to compete in WFTF. That is a bonus to me. I don't know if I would ever convert it but it's good to know it's available.

I'll be going to my first Field Target Shoot next month. I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully, I'll be able to see some of the guns I'm looking at during the match. In a couple months I'm hoping be able to shoot in the open-pcp class with my Bobcat.

Again, thanks to everyone who responded to my post. I appreciate all the help. 

Scott
 
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Hi Scott, I am one of the guys that Jimmy of Camp Fussell was talking about that shoots the Steyer LG 110 FT models. I picked up mine used and sent it to Alan Zasadny for his tune. The gun came back shooting lights out. Far better than me for sure.
The 800 is a fine rifle too. I would Look at what the majority of the world field target shooters are using. Especially if going to WFTF. The Styer is the most used rifle at those events. That will give you an idea of why I chose the Steyer. There must be a reason so many top shooters use one IMHO.
Besides having all your requirements, it can be taken from 20 FPE to 12 FPE by buying another reg set at 85 Bar or turning the original one down from 120 to 85. Then adjusting the power for 12 FPE. Everything else stays the same.
One of the reasons most go with the Steyers, is the ease of adjustment and breakdown to service the rifle by the owner. The Steyer website has a whole set of videos showing exactly how to do this.
This is the link to that site http://www.steyr-sport.com/en/service-movies

Also, if you consider going to WFTF and shoot at the world competitions overseas, parts are easy to get over in European countries.
My Steyer will put the pellets almost in one hole at 50 yards. That is outdoors with no wind, off a concrete bench and Tack Driver bag. As I said, the gun will outshoot the shooter every time. Myself and my shooting partne,r who travels with me to grand prix events , find our Steyers like lubed pellets.

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MY STEYER IN THE RACK FAR RIGHT

There are tons of accessories you can add from risers, hamsters, butt plates, thigh rests, scope risers, etc.
The Thomas rifle is quickly becoming a new favorite as it dominates the bench rest group along with the RAWs. Mike’s Thomas carbine is now the field target top winner this year at the AAFTA nationals. With Mike himself taking the top spot in a shoot off with Jim Stanis of Precision Air. Who by the way was shooting another Thomas carbine… (I’m starting to see a pattern here)lol
If you are serious about field target competitions and grand Prix’s, the Steyer, Thomas, FWB, and RAW are all good choices. It will depend on your pocketbook and ergonomics. The Steyer has infinite adjustments in the stock and trigger. Or so it seems. The trigger is adjustable forward, back, left and right, as well as tilt and first stage, second stage, or single stage. The pistol grip also adjusts left right and angles in different directions.

I look forward to seeing your choice as well as you shooting a grand prix match. If you see my name on the roster introduce yourself…. Good luck Scott

Paul Porch

 
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Paul

I really appreciate the detailed response. I was hoping for someone of your shooting ability to respond. As for myself, I hope with many many hours of practice to maybe approach your shooting ability. I've been shooting bench rest for about 1.5 years. I had a FX Royale 400 .22 for about 9 months. I wanted to get into field target so I traded to a Daystate Wolverine .177. I was very disappointed in it. I traded it in and purchase my current FX Bobcat MK2 .22. With the Bobcat in Medium power it shoots 669 fps. I'm using it for practice for field target. Currently, I'm using a sitting bipod and can hit a 1/2 inch target at 30 yards about 75% of the time. At 40 yards I'm using a 1 inch target and I can hit it about 85% of the time. I have a Rowan Hampster ordered so I can start practicing Open-PCP field target. I'm hoping to purchase a Steyr LG110 FT in about 4 months or so. As for shooting 1/4 inch groups at 50 yards, that's currently in my dreams. I know it's possible with practice. The 10 shoot group above is great and shows me the gun has the ability. I just want to make sure the gun I buy will out shoot me. One thing I don't want is to practice and obtain the ability only to find out that I'm now shooting better then the gun I purchased. Now I have to purchase a new gun.

As for the break down of the gun and the ease of repair is something I really like. I have watch a lot of the youtube videos and feel comfortable doing the repairs myself.

Again thanks for all your time putting the response together. If I am ever at a Grand Prix Match I will look you up.

Thanks

Scott Hopta 
 
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Trust me Scott, you most likely have been shooting air rifles longer then me. I bought my first PCP last March in 2015. I shot 3 club matches then the nationals as my club hosted it in Ennice. I am a dedicated guy when I get into something. After my first match at the club I was hooked. I shot 6 grand Prix's this year and placed 4th, 3rd, and then 2nd at the Crosman All American. I was 2nd in the grand Prix's until just before the nats. Then I got pushed down to 9th. At least I was in the top 10 in rifle and pistol.

Keep in mind it has been just over a year for me. I am a 64 year old retired guy. So I am sure you will do fine with the targets you said you are hitting. Throw a 1 1/2" kill zone out at 55 and you are in.

Talk to the guys and gals at the matches to learn all you can. Everyone has a method and routine that you can glean for your techniques.... find a FT club in your area and join. That will give you the experience actually shooting a match. Try a grand Prix in your state or one close by. You can go to the Yellow forum and go to the field target page for up to.ing matches. Got to You Tube and check out Harold Ruston's video on field target positions. He has been a good source for info for me when we shoot at the GPs.

I know you will be at one of the events and we will meet. You are too interested in top quality guns to not be....

Let me know if you have any question on your Steyer when you get it......
 
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Paul

All I can say is WOW. I thought I'd be an old timer and I'm only 54. I'm going to my first club match next month. They have a kind of unlimited class. The only requirement is a 20 ft/lb gun or lower to preserve the targets. Anything else is permitted. I'll probably shoot this first match on the bum bag with my sitting bipod. Unless my Rowan Hampster comes in soon so I can practice with it. I'm kind of lucky in that I have 40 yards in my back yard here in Mesa, AZ. I'll probably go out to the desert to shoot some 55 yard shots with the 1 1/2 inch targets soon. 

Again, thanks for all your help and insight. I will keep you in mind when I purchase my LG110. 

Thanks

Scott
 
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Nice Scott! I love Mesa...I proposed to my wife there 33 years ago. We even hiked the Bright Angel trail of the Grand Canyon while out there collecting fossils with the University of Northern Arizona. I love AZ. My best bud moved to Peoria last year.

I have a 100 yard range here at the Fortress Of Pellitude... I made a concrete two person shooting bench with a covered roof, bag/pellet cabinet, a welded steel Chrony shelf, a welded steel tank holder between the shooting positions and a welded steel rifle holder.
The range has ashphalt yardage markers in the ground at 5 yard intervals to 100 yards. I have 2.5 acres with 9 FT lanes for practice.. Told you i was dedicated....lol. (Actually a lot if time on my retired hands)...lol
 
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Oh boy Scott, if you do go to Georgia you will be in our back yard.

There is a great bunch of guys that are there in the Atlanta area. They have put on the Nationals in Heflin Alabama and the Southern Open. Unbelievable course.

We have shot together at all the GPs this year...
Some great shooters too. World competitor Ken Hughes, and Rob Seidon, who I have been trailing on his heels in the GP standings. In fact I will be competing with them this Saturday at the Deep Woods match in SC.

So if you move there, be prepared to meet and join a bunch of great guys.... You will get caught up in the sport with them around.
 
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