So since the last thread I posted about which air gun to get a lot of y’all said either the HW95 or the hw35 and looking at the specs of those rifles the 95 is a lot faster shooting and puts more fpe on target but the reviews on the hw35 says it’s a way easier gun to shot. So my question is are both still good hunting guns cause I’ve always been drawn to fast hard hitting guns. With reading a bunch of stuff on these gun it sounds like you don’t need all that speed and all it really does is make the guns harder to shoot.
Fps & fpe
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Depends on your purpose for the gun. Back yard plinking and target work get the slower gun, it'll be more fun to shoot. Going for distance or hunting, FT use or silhouette work, get the faster gun. You'll need the energy.
Assuming the faster gun is automatically hard to shoot is a mistake. There are some excellent rifles that shoot well, especially when they are tuned and lubed properly.
Assuming the faster gun is automatically hard to shoot is a mistake. There are some excellent rifles that shoot well, especially when they are tuned and lubed properly.
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The formula for FPE is.... FPS*FPS*grains/450240=FPE
Mind that light pellets will loose speed faster to ballistic coefficient than heavy pellets will.
Mind that light pellets will loose speed faster to ballistic coefficient than heavy pellets will.
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Well I’ll be doing a lot of pest with my rifle so would the hw35 be better or would something faster be better
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Something more accurate is better. Typically these guns shoot better at about 12fpe. They jump less, are easier to cock, and are more repeatable.
Did you mean HW35? Or HW30? The 30 is super easy to shoot, but has a bit less power at about 7fpe.
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BTW, I have 2 LGV Master Pro (highly recommended) one in .177 and the other in .122, so far, the .177 has taken several squirrels to none with the .22, and not for lack of trying.
The .22 is newer to me, and I’m still learning it, but that .177 is one shot, one kill. With Polymags, it is deadly!
So, don’t discount the lowly .177. It will get the job done.
The .22 is newer to me, and I’m still learning it, but that .177 is one shot, one kill. With Polymags, it is deadly!
So, don’t discount the lowly .177. It will get the job done.
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I meant the hw35 I’ve read where people call that more of a youth rifle vs say like the HW95 and I have nothing against.177 Im just have it in my head bigger the bullet and faster it is the better and I know that’s not always the case.
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Regardless of power level, for hunting or pesting I’d choose the hw95 in .177 over the hw35. The hw95 is about a half pound lighter and more importantly, I prefer the shot cycle of springers with smaller compression tubes. You can easily tune the hw95 to shoot at power levels between 10fpe and 14fpe with different springs.
That said, both are excellent high quality guns and would serve you well for many years.
Good luck choosing
R
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I have never had the 95, maybe one of these days. All I can tell you is that I have inquired before and the guys on here RAVE about it (HW95)
However I’m a huge fan of springers that lock (hw35, walther lgv) or have a fixed barrel (hw97) less worries with droop.
As for the caliber, the .22 will fly slower or need more power to fly faster. More power, more bigger badder spring = more jump. The .177 will fly faster and flatter for any equal given power.
Some guys can print 0.5” at 35 yards with a .22 Hw77 though.
However I’m a huge fan of springers that lock (hw35, walther lgv) or have a fixed barrel (hw97) less worries with droop.
As for the caliber, the .22 will fly slower or need more power to fly faster. More power, more bigger badder spring = more jump. The .177 will fly faster and flatter for any equal given power.
Some guys can print 0.5” at 35 yards with a .22 Hw77 though.
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450240 not 450420 and not exactly true about light pellets and BC, it's more to do with shape/drag then light vs heavy. Just check the BC of a .177 Crosman Premier 7.9gr vs .22 FTS 14.6gr
The 30 is more what some might call a youth rifle, the 35 is full size.
.22 will have greater impact, make a larger wound channel, retain more energy down range (30-35yds+) and be less effected by the wind. If comparing 2 of the same rifles .22 will often have higher fpe compared to .177 That said .177 can be quite efficient with certain pellets. You can check this info at Straight Shooters and or Chairgun.
The 30 is more what some might call a youth rifle, the 35 is full size.
.22 will have greater impact, make a larger wound channel, retain more energy down range (30-35yds+) and be less effected by the wind. If comparing 2 of the same rifles .22 will often have higher fpe compared to .177 That said .177 can be quite efficient with certain pellets. You can check this info at Straight Shooters and or Chairgun.
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@DualMagMike Do you have a link to that info on BC? I couldn’t find it, and it’s an area that I want/need to learn more about.
My advice is pretty much centered around my personal experience shooting my guns in both cals. But I did mean to factor in the wind & forgot. Thanks!
My advice is pretty much centered around my personal experience shooting my guns in both cals. But I did mean to factor in the wind & forgot. Thanks!
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Either Chairgun, H&N or chronoconnect.com for info or do a simple pellet BC table search
as I mentioned I own just about the entire HW line, if I was target shooting I might go for the .177 35 if I was hunting it would easily be the 95 .22 but these are my choices between these 2 rifles only and my opinions others may well vary.
as I mentioned I own just about the entire HW line, if I was target shooting I might go for the .177 35 if I was hunting it would easily be the 95 .22 but these are my choices between these 2 rifles only and my opinions others may well vary.
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I will check it out next day off. Thanks. My next gun personally will be an HW97K probably in .177, although the new JSB .20 offerings have me intrigued and interested. Any info on .177 vs.20 is welcome.
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As proven by countless shooters from the UK and elsewhere 12fpe is all that is required in an airgun for lights out hunting of rabbits/squirrels & such. Anything more is gracy.
John
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I lean towards Diana springers. All of mine are magnum rated but after a lot of practice it's easy to shoot them at 35 and longer yards with good accuracy. My D54 & 56 are the most accurate springers I have personally shot.
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Diana’s were the first ones I was looking at my dad had one when he was in his twenties and he told me about shooting a big ground hog with it and dropped it in it’s tracks but unfortunately the gun broke and he threw it away few years before I got in to air gunning so a part of me definitely wants to go with one.
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I'm a .177 cal guy myself. One thing I've noticed in the hunting field where nearly all of my shooting is done is the time between shot sound and impact sound. At a distance sometimes the report of the rifle can get to the animal fast enough to allow the animal time to react to the sound and cause a miss. I prefer the faster speeds because of this and speed is easier to accomplish with the smaller caliber. I do shoot pellets in the heavier end of the range for my caliber but the speeds are still much higher than the same rifle in a bigger caliber. As said above, it doesn't take a large pellet to take typical airgun game. A well placed smaller pellet moving fast enough to arrive before the animal can react is the magic combination.
For years I've had a rule. If I decide my .177 cal rifle is too small for the game I'm after I don't need a bigger air rifle, I need to step up to a rimfire.
For years I've had a rule. If I decide my .177 cal rifle is too small for the game I'm after I don't need a bigger air rifle, I need to step up to a rimfire.
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The speed of sound (Mach 1) is on average 1125fps which is the velocity that should be avoided with typical airgun pellets for good accuracy. So virtually no pellet arrives accurately at the target before the sound does especially beyond a very few yards.
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