my opinion having used pards and atns is i much prefer an atn, and i have both 4kpro nv and a thor4 384 and a couple of pard clipons .. it really depends on the exact scenario on which i would choose, but a couple things - i tend to do all night steak-outs and monitoring a thermal is harsh + its not always easy to tell what exactly your looking at ... the pards i have, the main issue is controls, it feels like i got to fudge with 15 things for every change of target area .. the atn nv now, thats what i usually like to use, and if i was monitoring something way out, say 80+, id just use a bigger torch like a sniper pro hog light .. so yeah, id say that and a 4k pro is gonna be my choice of setup 'over' a bargain-end thermal ... id say if you want to beat that setup with a thermal your gonna be north of 3500$, think 640 40x .. there is the logistical issue of the torch, extra batts, seperate mounting like a tripod for it, but thats pretty minor once ur rolling ... cheaper and better in the price range, even with the better torch, my opinion