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There is a very easy way to avoid a conflict with the owner of AGN on this topic. If you want to freely discuss moderator design do it over on GTA (Gateway to Airguns). The owner of that forum has no similar concerns. There was a GTA moderator that did but it got clarified and is now clear it is OK on GTA, but not on AGN.

My opinion is more like the GTA owner but nobody can know 100% what is OK and what is not right now. If I owned the forum, I wouldn't want to risk a legal bill either. I appreciate the opportunity to use this forum and am OK with following the rules. I have had to be reminded but that is OK too.
 
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steve-l said:
This forum is privately owned. In that light, the owner can create any rule he wishes. Currently the forum rule on prohibiting moderator construction is out of order. This is now especially true with the Alphabet org silencer rule changes. If you have followed the debate between moderator3 and nobody1 and his leaving the forum over it, you will understand this unfortunate situation. The use of moderators has never been illegal on air guns. As the use of air guns is mostly in urban environments, moderators play a very important part of their use. Add to that the current popularity of the GK1 pistol, their use is almost mandatory. I have been designing and building moderators for many years. The construction methodology and materials used along with their effectiveness is very much in the interest of every air gunner. Nobody1 has been an important contributor to this forum and as a moderator constructor and an air gunner of many years, I agree very much to his position. The owner is doing a great disservice to the air gunning public and the air gun industry by his moderator position. I urge the forum owner to eliminate his restriction on this subject. Ultimately, as a forum member, all we can do is vote with our feet. Your call!
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You seem to wish to speak for all air gunners, but your premise is flawed as you are truly speaking mainly to your own interests.

But the solution is quite simple - in your various posts you seem to specify that free and open discussions regarding moderator construction, etc. are imperative to all air gunners, and such discussions are risk free due to changes in laws or attitudes, or something.

As such it is obvious that you should not leave matters of such critical importance to others. You must, for the benefit of all air gunners, create, fund, implement and manage your own forum site which allows discussion of this critical issue, and you will have no problem in doing this since everything is totally and clearly legal in all geographies where this site will be available.

Please let us know when you open this new forum as it is of such critical importance to all of us. And please do not delay - truly time is of the essence.
 
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The crackdown on moderator discussion and design came right after DonnyFL got a visit from the Alphabet org and shut down his site for a short time. I am sure there was discussion on whether or not people could buy an air rifle designed moderator from DonnyFL and convert it to work on a powder burner. Whatever was hashed out behind closed doors was resolved to the point of letting DonnyFL open up shop again. The Mods here did not want to be roped up into a Federal case that could cost them their forum so the decision was made to crack down on those discussions. Plenty of European forums that have open discussion on moderator design and construction to use.
 
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This all boils down to $$$$ . when the powers that be charge you with doing wrong , it will cost you 10 to 20 K$ just to prove your within your rights . and if you win you do not get any $$ back , it still cost you 10 + K$ and quite possible more $$$$$
Just to qualify the above i belong to a gun club and three members are Lawyers and we have talked endlessly about laws and the interpretation of said laws .
 
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I like this forum a lot And it has proved valuable to my growth in this hobby.
I find a several of the discussion restrictions to be irritating and irrational.
However, it is not my forum so not my rules. If people don’t like the rules they are free to leave. Making a spectacle of departing says more about the poster than it does the forum.
 
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MACTEN said:
What policy change are you referring to? There was an act (hpa) that was added to the budget reconciliation bill that has been removed by the parliamentarian for supposedly not meeting the Byrd rule. (actually being a tax even thought it in fact is a tax) It remains to be seen whether or not the language for the hpa will be put back in prior to being voted on but that would mean either Thune or Vance would have to override what she removed from the bill and Thune said previously he would let her destroy what she wanted.
So what policy change are you referring to? If you have found one please link it.
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Policy is what the agency does, silencers are not against the law. All you need is a license and pay the tax For powder burners never air guns. There have several cases involving the agency pursuing silencer issues overturned recently in Texas, I do not remember the cases exactly, but Google is your friend. As I recall Pam Bondi was also involved along with the realignment of said agency.
 
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steve-l said:
Policy is what the agency does, silencers are not against the law. All you need is a license and pay the tax For powder burners never air guns. There have several cases involving the agency pursuing silencer issues overturned recently in Texas, I do not remember the cases exactly, but Google is your friend. As I recall Pam Bondi was also involved along with the realignment of said agency.
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I assumed you would have a link as you knew so much about it.
There has been no change in language only a good ruling by a Fed appeals court judge years ago that define them as fine, given intent.
The matter you are talking about was a 5th circuit situation where the AG sent the entire thing back to the courts to rethink.
 
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The member in question was warned for a slight violation, using a pre-made script supplied by AGN.

This kind of event happens 2 to 5 times a day.

The vast majority of the warnings issued are well received and cordially resolved with mutual respect.

That was not the case for this member. The member has been given a small time-out to consider the actions that led to his removal. If that member chooses to be a part of the forum going forward, then it is 100% on him to follow the rules. Sowing discord or attacking the staff that dedicate their efforts to the benefit of the membership, is not an acceptable way to participate in the Airgun Nation forum.

Post #3 in this thread has a response to the underlying issue, direct from @Michael

If the the HPA passes and suppressors are removed from the NFAâ¦

Will we be able to discuss the manufacture or modification of airgun moderators again? Will we perhaps be able buy and sell our factory made airgun only moderators by themselves in the classified section again?
www.airgunnation.com www.airgunnation.com
 
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