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First PCP, thinking about a .22 Diana Stormrider Gen 2, your thoughts?

Been looking to get my first PCP. My uses will be plinking, pests, and hunting. I’ve been paying pretty close attention to reservoir size as I will be hand pumping, and I’d rather pump less. Pest control in a suburban backyard means quiet!, so a level 2 seems appropriate. Also will hunt squirrels, rabbits, grouse etc in thick cover on foot so weight and length are important considerations. I am aware of the barrel band issue and figure I can conjure up some barrel support if needs be. Cost is relevant.

Any experience with this airgun? Any suggestions or experience with similar air guns in the approximately same price bracket?

With the exception of my now older RWS 177 springer I’m a noob to airguns and will appreciate any help, thank you


 
I’ve been playing with the Diana bandit(pistol version of stormrider) for a week now and it’s pretty accurate for being an inexpensive gun. I own a few other guns made by the same company as the stormrider and they are all surprisingly decent quality, budget friendly guns. The only thing I would recommend with the stormrider is to get it regulated. Will dramatically increase accuracy.

If you’re not dead set on a rifle, there’s some awesome pistols in that price range: PP750 & PP700. Both are regulated, accurate, and easy to pump.



Other rifles also worth mentioning are the Umarex gauntlet & Air Venturi Avenger

*EDIT* Guantlet is not easy to pump with its bottle


 
Good deal for $144 on your first order when you subscribe plus free standard shipping for an improved Stormrider made in China that hopefully got the recall notice all taken cared of regarding defective trigger safety.

https://www.kitterytradingpost.com/hunting-shooting/airguns-pellets/air-rifles/air-venturi-diana-stormrider-gen2-synthetic-pcp-177-cal.-air-rifle-100580724.html?cgid=0

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The reservoir size is very ideal for hand pumping. I have had one, I tuned it up for a friend. It's a very simple design, and just plain works. (I have a couple pistol version of this rifle, too).

One thing to look out for is moderator alignment. The narrow end of the moderator butts up against the front sight post which is plastic. All the ones I've seen have a bit of a plastic mold line there, and this can cause the moderator to sit a little crooked. All you need is a flat file to fix (if it's an issue). I've had to align moderators on a few other guns, and the procedure is the same. Remove a small amount of material, and check. Repeat til straight. Patience is key.



Other than that small issue, It's a very simple design. And they shoot very well. The only downside is the power output has a good bit of a bell curve. Meaning it shoots very hot at high pressure, and steadily drops power from there. There will be a small sweet spot where the gun shoots a few shots at the same velocity (roughly). Usually keeping the velocity steady or consistent lends to more accurate and repeatable shot placement. One way to achieve this is to install a regulator. I believe wes @ airgunarcheryfun sells these with them pre-installed (if you chose that option) and for a good price, too. Now, a regulator will reduce your max power in this gun. But It will greatly increase the number of *highly* accurate shots you can get out of it. And quite frankly, would still be well above the power output of several airguns I hunt with. Another option is to detune the hammer strike. If done right, that will flatten the power curve, so that you get a larger number of shots shooting more similar velocities.

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Even without tuning or installing a regulator, the gun shoots plenty good enough to take game within about 40 yards for a pretty decent number of shots (20) Without really worrying about the gun not being a complete tack driver.

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Those are my two pistol versions, BTW. One has a regulator, one does not.
 
@Yo Good eye on that deal



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I needed to make that same choice for my first PCP

It was between the Stormrider Gen1 & the Benjamin Maximus (both 22 cal)

My choice was the Maximus; and I am very happy with it

Accurate, Light weight, easy fill with hand pump, & reliable

Plus parts/mods readily available also.

Despite now owning multiple PCPs the Maximus is still very much a "go to" rifle;

It lives loaded & un-cocked near the windows overlooking our urban mini home orchard.

Squirrels are its specialty.

Having never shot a Stormrider I cannot offer comparison

That's my 2 scents

Ed












 
May I recommend the benjamin fortitude gen 2. It super light weight, very accurate, regulated, and perfect for hunting. The trigger is a bit stiff but I did a easy modification on mine that I can show you. For only $300 it's perfect for doing what you want to do. I myself have killed multiple racoons with it. I think you should definitely consider. PM me is you have any questions I would be very happy to help
 
I fully regret buying the SPA version of the stormrider what a cheap POS,,never should have been made into a PCP,,maybe ok for co2 but still has crap barrels

the only other guns I hate almost as much was Hatsan gladius and Hatsan torpedo 

my SPA P-15 took much more money to make it into an acceptable rifle,(barrel replace), I do NOT brag up SPA/Diana crap, but have seen some good reports only for the PP700 pistols. Look closely at Gamo Urban or Benjamin/crosman or Xisico
 
 


I purchased a used and slightly modified stormrider in .22 for my first PCP. It's got the FFH device installed which really upped the shot count. I'm looking into regulating it here soon for even more shot count. Mine has been super accurate out to 35yds which is the limitation of my backyard. Having not shot a stock version, I don't know if the FFH makes it so quiet or what. There is NO report from my rifle. There's the click of the trigger, the ding of the hammer and a dead squirrel that never saw it coming. The only time I've had a report is when firing a single cleaning pellet. Otherwise it's completely silent. Big bonus for my suburban backyard surrounded by 5 houses. The pellet hitting my spinner or cardboard box target is the loudest sound. So far, mine has been very accurate with pellets up to 20gr. Over that and they slow way down. REALLY likes JSB express 14.83gr and JSB Hades for hunting. That's 23 pellets stacked up before the 24th knocked the lump out of the cedar post I was shooting.

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@nuance231

Pulled that trigger yet? I have 2 Artemis SPA PR900W, gen1. Recommend them strongly -- nice looking stock, very light (perfect for hunting), excellent components (titanium cylinder), easy to pump up. Very accurate at 50 yds. JSB exact jumbo 5.51 (!) mm. The one-stage trigger in my gen1 is fine for hunting&plinking.

My strong recommendation: put in a Lane regulator! My #1 has a 125 bar set point, 28 highly consistent shots at 250m/sec. My #2 has a 135 bar set point, 18 shots at 255m/sec. The difference is mainly the hammer spring, I have not yet fully tuned my #2 so it is wasting air.

The tricks with this reg are:

- keep the reg o-ring where it abuts the valve block, but split it to let the reg breathe. Same for the closest o-ring on the valve block itself. Consolation: this is easier than it sounds ... unless you have 2 left hands and no patience!

- drill open the air inlet in the valve block and of course the ports (the latter at 80% of the caliber). Use a dremel on the barrel ... no drill bit here please -- i paid the price ...

- play with / reduce the hammer spring to save air. The stock spring is too strong for regulated. The extra challenge is this gun lacks an adjuster. Get a few 10mm OD springs so you can experiment but don't clip off too many coils at once, like I did ... Shimming with washers is possible but only up to a limit ...

- clean the barrel with paint thinner, the insides are usually protected with some kind of gunk impacting accuracy. Thereafter polish it with some mild compound. Polish the hammer as well for smoother operation (in a drill; I also shortened/lightened the hammer in #1 somewhat, good effect on shot count but only a matter of "fine tuning" ).

- some put on a second barrel band (pyramydair, 15 usd). This is a matter of looks, not accuracy.

Robert Lane tuned a couple of these guns as well, and he published some excellent materials.

Finally, do they work out of the box? Yes, read the review in Hardairmagazine. But then you will have the curve to contend with, like with most unregulated PCPs.

Good luck!




 
A friend of mine bought a Gen 1 Stormrider from Mrodair. It was a P.O.S. with the worst trigger I've ever seen. It had a single stage trigger with lots of creep then bang. I could never feel when the sear was going to release from shot to shot. What about an Air Venturi Avenger? By the time you add a regulator to a Stormrider, you are in Avenger price territory Buying a Stormrider and adding a regulator is putting lipstick on a pig.
 
A friend of mine bought a Gen 1 Stormrider from Mrodair. It was a P.O.S. with the worst trigger I've ever seen It had a single stage trigger with lots of creep then bang. I could never tell when the sear was going to release from shot to shot. What about an Air Venturi Avenger? By the time you add a regulator to a Stormrider, you are in Avenger price territory Buying a Stormrider and adding a regulator is like putting lipstick on a pig.

No view here on Avenger -- but my "pigs" (200 bucks plus 80 for the Lane regs) are rather good looking and I had a great time tuning them. The triggers on Gen-1 are fine and predictable single-stage hunting triggers with just a little adjustment -- normal stuff, we're not talking FX or Daystate here. 

Another fine first PCP is the Gamo Urban. Excellent build quality and bsa accuracy. Just read the user comments at Pyramydair, they speak for themselves. The much hated trigger becomes a sweet 2 stage after replacing a set screw.

Or the Kral Puncher. I got mine for 350 Eur and they are often cheaper in the US. Sidelever action, light&predictable 2 stage trigger (after a little adjusting), very accurate, and consistent even without a reg. They even come with 1/2 Unf thread for a silencer.



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