Daystate First Daystate ... Wolverine HP R in .22

[Pfddi]

I think mine is newer than that year range. Trying to find the purchase paper work, but that doesn't say how long the gun was in inventory before I bought it,

Daystate added that “feature” - can’t decock - to the Wolverine R and Wolverine R HP around 2020.

I believe Earlier Wolverine Rs were able to be decocked.

 

[Pfddi]

Ok just looked it up on Daystate's database. It was a 2022 model.

 

[jps2486]

Daystate added that “feature” - can’t decock - to the Wolverine R and Wolverine R HP around 2020.

I believe Earlier Wolverine Rs were able to be decocked.

Anyone know how to reverse this?

 

[Arzrover]

Daystate added that “feature” - can’t decock - to the Wolverine R and Wolverine R HP around 2020.

I believe Earlier Wolverine Rs were able to be decocked.

Interesting - perhaps I’ll stick with the stock hammer in my Renegade HP…

Factory unregulated tune it was a beast 895 to 932 to 895 over 30 shots with 34g.

I installed a lighter hammer spring and got a nice unregulated string over 40+ shots - power peaking about 165-170 bar.

Then I installed a Huma reg (still using my lighter spring) and dialed it at say 162 bar and it shoots 25.4g JSB at 925-930; 30g JTS at 880 and 34g JSB at 840… Damn happy with that. 1st spring I tried (sometimes you get lucky, lol), but I have a lot of experience on other Daystates and a small mountain of 18mm springs of various wire thicknesses and lengths.

My .25 rifle has a damn accurate barrel, the electronic trigger on the Renegade is excellent for my target work, but even with the lighter hammer spring I can feel some harshness in the shot cycle from the hammer strike…. this is what I thought I could improve with the slingshot hammer.

I’ve even thought about swapping the barrel and probe on my .25 Renegade HP and .22 Wolverine R HP. This would put the .22 on the Renegade with the smaller air cylinder and the .25 on the Wolverine which now has a 580cc bottle. I’d still have the same thought of putting a SSH in the Wolverine if converted to .25.

As I’m just target shooting, I don’t need/want high power to punch paper, but I do like the HP Daystate barrels as they are polygonal and seem to shoot a variety of pellet weights well.

One other feature that draws me to the SSH is the adjustable length of throw to tweak velocity, rather than shimming the hammer spring (I’ve got 1mm and .5mm washers that fit perfectly on my spring “top hat” guides that allow very precise shimming).

Any thoughts on either what to expect from using a SSH on .25 Renegade or even thoughts on swapping calibers across Wolfie and Renegade?

-Ed

-Ed

Looks like you have a very good handle on these rifles.
As mentioned above , they just don't have much plenum so it's going to be a struggle to get them very pumped up. In 22, the Wolverine taps out at about 47 ft lb in stock guise. It's not going to be a lot better but you're pushing the 25 cal to 52 ft lb in the Renegade so that is PROBABLY achievable in the Wolverine... it's just not going to be more. The unregulated ones seem to have more air flow so maybe can achieve a bit more power. I really don't know that the SSH is going to be less harsh because the primary use is lower power and the behavior is definitely nicer there.
I did try to get 52 ft lb out of a 22 Wolverine R and the SSH gave a VERY sharp transition from 48ish ft lb to 49 and would not make 52 at all. The behavior went from reasonable @ 47 to UGLY at 49. Now I know that a couple of tuners have ground on some stuff to increase flow efficiency and gotten up to 52ish but is it worth it?... there's still not much plenum.
I think I would investigate damping the strike cycle with the BStaley mod concept or button the hammer, etc., rather than the SSH but MAYBE you are onto something there. It just has limited strike energy vs a straight hammer system...
Also, imho, the main reason to focus on power or velocity is to try to get pellets into their respective best accuracy performance areas, not just energy itself. I generally shoot for about 31 to 33 ft lb with 18 gn pellets, 52ish ftlb with MRD's in the poly barrel or 60 ft lb with the 25 cal, 33.4s, as I've found my best performance in those cases. Doesn't mean that other velocities aren't good and will be VERY barrel dependent.
Also, for anyone trying to read something into this, I'm NOT a power monger and am perfectly fine... very happy even, with the Wolverine performance... just wouldn't chose it if I really wanted to LAUNCH something...
Bob

 

[EPG]

Looks like you have a very good handle on these rifles.
As mentioned above , they just don't have much plenum so it's going to be a struggle to get them very pumped up. In 22, the Wolverine taps out at about 47 ft lb in stock guise. It's not going to be a lot better but you're pushing the 25 cal to 52 ft lb in the Renegade so that is PROBABLY achievable in the Wolverine... it's just not going to be more. The unregulated ones seem to have more air flow so maybe can achieve a bit more power. I really don't know that the SSH is going to be less harsh because the primary use is lower power and the behavior is definitely nicer there.
I did try to get 52 ft lb out of a 22 Wolverine R and the SSH gave a VERY sharp transition from 48ish ft lb to 49 and would not make 52 at all. The behavior went from reasonable @ 47 to UGLY at 49. Now I know that a couple of tuners have ground on some stuff to increase flow efficiency and gotten up to 52ish but is it worth it?... there's still not much plenum.
I think I would investigate damping the strike cycle with the BStaley mod concept or button the hammer, etc., rather than the SSH but MAYBE you are onto something there. It just has limited strike energy vs a straight hammer system...
Also, imho, the main reason to focus on power or velocity is to try to get pellets into their respective best accuracy performance areas, not just energy itself. I generally shoot for about 31 to 33 ft lb with 18 gn pellets, 52ish ftlb with MRD's in the poly barrel or 60 ft lb with the 25 cal, 33.4s, as I've found my best performance in those cases. Doesn't mean that other velocities aren't good and will be VERY barrel dependent.
Also, for anyone trying to read something into this, I'm NOT a power monger and am perfectly fine... very happy even, with the Wolverine performance... just wouldn't chose it if I really wanted to LAUNCH something...
Bob

Bob,

Thanks - I appreciate your insights.

You have definitely convinced me not to swap calibers between Wolverine and Renegade because the Renegade is set up with a big plenum because its a tube gun - bottle Wolverines don’t have the ability to use this Huma reg & plenum.

I’m going to stick with the stock hammer in .25 Renegade HP for now - and do any further velocity tuning via hammer spring.

One cool thing about adding the reg to the Renegade is that that Renegade air tube is stamped with 250 bar SWP and the action is stamped 220 bar. Since I regulated with the Huma, the action will only see 165 bar - so I can utilize air tubes full 250 bar capacity if desired - that alone will expand the shot count.

You can see from the picture that Daystate “pre-vented” the air tube to provide for regulator installation via the thread cutout.

-Ed

 

[Arzrover]

Bob,

Thanks - I appreciate your insights.

You have definitely convinced me not to swap calibers between Wolverine and Renegade because the Renegade is set up with a big plenum because its a tube gun - bottle Wolverines don’t have the ability to use this Huma reg & plenum.

I’m going to stick with the stock hammer in .25 Renegade HP for now - and do any further velocity tuning via hammer spring.

One cool thing about adding the reg to the Renegade is that that Renegade air tube is stamped with 250 bar SWP and the action is stamped 220 bar. Since I regulated with the Huma, the action will only see 165 bar - so I can utilize air tubes full 250 bar capacity if desired - that alone will expand the shot count.

You can see from the picture that Daystate “pre-vented” the air tube to provide for regulator installation via the thread cutout.

-Ed

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Nice...
If your stock could handle it , looks like that tube mount block would interchange with the Wolverine ... Interesting ...
I've never owned or looked inside a Renegade...
At least 3 years ago there was discussion about upgrading the Wolverine to higher power capabilities ... looks like it's called a Blackwolf and they're trying to cover a bunch of bases with it.