First blood with the D-Wolf Destroyer at 💯 yds

In my opinion the new D wolf needed to be broken in. First shot on a varmint…

He refused to give me a side shot. After about five minutes he finally raised his head from eating, and I took him through the back of the head. You can see the exit wound just below his mouth.

mike

He was instantly devastated.

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I love the 25 Cal. I still own an R1 in 25…Not sure how many I’ve owned total, certainly as many as I have fingers. They do a different job in a different way.

Right now the Delta Wolf is set up to shoot the 34 grain at 900. 25 grain at 1000. Same setting, it loves them both.

If you are hunting, and you don’t have to worry about what’s behind your prey, the 25 certainly has its advantages.
mike
 
qball 

i’ve been thinking about your comment above. There are so many differences between the two rifles, and so many similarities. They’re both bull pups. They are both extremely accurate. They both are designed for shooting long distance. It seems to me after that the similarities end there.

The Delta Wolf utilizes electronics and artificial intelligence. It gets high velocities from a much shorter barrel through technology rather than adding inches. There are advantages to a shorter barrel.

it’s almost like comparing a high-end electronic car, to a high-end gasoline engine powered car…Where would you guess the future lies?

I absolutely love my electronic rifles. I hated the idea when they first came out.

mike
 
qball 

i’ve been thinking about your comment above. There are so many differences between the two rifles, and so many similarities. They’re both bull pups. They are both extremely accurate. They both are designed for shooting long distance. It seems to me after that the similarities end there.

The Delta Wolf utilizes electronics and artificial intelligence. It gets high velocities from a much shorter barrel through technology rather than adding inches. There are advantages to a shorter barrel.

it’s almost like comparing a high-end electronic car, to a high-end gasoline engine powered car…Where would you guess the future lies?

I absolutely love my electronic rifles. I hated the idea when they first came out.

mike




It is just my opinion that at the end of the day the pellet or slug flys out at desired speed/power by compressed air. Electronic or mechanical it’s a mechanism to let out certain amount of air, CVT vs main transmission if you will. Like you said both can achieve great consistency, both are bullpup with interchangeable grip and to me the major difference boils down to barrel system and chassis. Barrels are very different but proven to both achieve similar awesome accuracy so the last thing is chassis. 


I’ve mostly torn apart my impact a few times and disappointed to see the chassis is basically a thin piece of aluminum. As power increase significantly the chassis flex is very evident to me. The impact is very hold sensitive because if the pressure on the stock and grip is not consistent that thin piece of aluminum flexes and group spreads dramatically from stupid good to meh! It doesn’t quit show up at lower power though. My hope is to see a solid chassis from action to butt pad for next impact impact then I’ll be all over it. Stiff chassis will mean less hold sensitive and much easier to achieve more consistency great accuracy, just another variable to remove in the quest for accuracy. 

Since this is a hobby I prefer the “manual” transmission or mechanical valve system. I’m not opposed to hammerless electronic system just not “fully sold” on it yet.



 
q

Instead of giving you a counterpoint, I’m going to tell you why I fell in love. I’m going to start the story a good 8 to 10 years ago. I’ve never been good with dates.

Frederick from FX came to the US with his new 30 caliber rifle to win extreme Benchrest. I was on the phone with the folks at AoA first thing Monday morning buying that specific Rifle. It was in the post or something that he couldn’t bring it back. That was an incredibly accurate Rifle. And it wasn’t my first FX or last FX. They make good rifles. I’ve shot lots of rifles as you can possibly guess.

A few years back I watched everyone clamber to buy the new red wolf… yawn, I had no interest. Everyone was posting about them. I had owned one of the original daystate electronic rifles, it was a model three field target Rifle. Thank God I bought it used for a good deal and could sell it and get my money back, because I hated it. It wasn’t ready.

and then the pandemic hit. I was pretty much trapped like everyone else, I wanted a new toy, frankly I said to heck with it, not quite in those words. And I bought RedWolf. I had met Lauren at nationals in Baton Rouge, she hand picked me a rifle for accuracy. I would not be surprised if they didn’t tune it a bit. When I received it, I took the barrel off and scrubbed it with JB bore paste Then I mounted the scope and shot it. It was amazing. But why?

first off the physical components:

You don’t have to cock a hammer spring every time you take a shot. I’m going to say that again you don’t have to cock a hammer spring every time you take a shot. Say that 500 more times, and you’ll start to get what it means. The rifle doesn’t move. You can use one finger to pull the bolt back, one finger to push it forward. I can’t tell you again how important this is. After you’ve shot the rifle for five or six hours you sit back and smile and go oh my God. That’s just one little tiny component that just absolutely thrilled me. You can’t comment on it if you haven’t had a session where you shoot it for at least four hours. I can’t say enough about that one piece. All of the above paragraph, it’s because it’s electronic. Because you’re not caulking a hammer spring, there is no hammer and or spring exploding when you pull the trigger. That’s a lot of reaction that’s not taking place. A hammer spring and a hammer is violent. Again, until you’ve really explored what this means long term, it doesn’t sink in.

The trigger is absolutely the best trigger I’ve ever shot, compared to hundreds of rifles, both air guns and center fire. Jewel triggers, Shilen triggers. I have one set trigger on an Anschutz 54 that is 1/6 of an ounce. It’s a double set trigger. The red wolf is better. It’s electronic there are no moving parts. It’s better than the triggers on my AZ tuned field target rifles. Better than any of at least half dozen rapids I owned over the years. It’s that good. Again, electronics.

Let’s go back to the pandemic. I would not have possibly been able to get a dog without COVID…yet I have Penny. I’ll guarantee you I would not of bought a RedWolf without Covid. It just plain would not have happened. I was going nuts, getting depressed, and needed something new, so I bought one.

I ended up buying three of them. The second two I found used. The 177 is even more amazing than the 22. It just sits there when you pull the trigger. It’s absolutely silent with the LDC that I already owned . I don’t have to caulk a hammer spring. The trigger is better than any rifle I’ve ever owned or shot. Absolutely mind-boggling how much this changed Airgun shooting for me. it shoots Crossman Premier heavies into little tiny bugeye groups at 100 yards. At 30 foot pounds. It cracks the sound barrier every time. It is so freaking cool. It shoots sub MOA Groups at 200 yards with slugs. I can’t even believe that I can state that.

And in addition to all of the above. I can play with all the controls for how the air is delivered. I can have any velocity I want. I can tune it to a specific pellet or slug. Again mind boggling stuff. I can save those programs and switch them easily

The one thing I really didn’t like about the red wolf and I still don’t like about the red wolf is the battery. They seemed to fix that on the Delta.

Then they put on an on board chronograph. I hate chronographs. I know this because I always shoot them. So I must hate them. They don’t often work for me. I was planning on buying one of the new ones. I really like having it built into the rifle. I didn’t think I would like that. I find myself checking it out all the time.

Now if they could just figure out a way to put a Woodstock on the D wolf…

mike




 
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@flintsack: those are some really great points. The difference between software controller gun vs mechanically controlled gun is vast but IMHO the end result is basically same(to me) just how it gets there is different. Personally I sit I front of a computer all day so I have little interest in looking at more screens and software after work. Granted I have 3d printers, gaming stuff and more computers and electronic devices programmed and accessible on my phone than most people, I have about 40 devices on my Wi-Fi! But they work a little too well in some sense because once I get them to a certain point which is easy then I’m done, they even auto update and everything. I probably will get cancer from all the radiation!😂😂😂


I too got into airgun mainly thanks to the pandemic and squirrels/pests so a lot of what I do focus on hunting not shooting groups. I get bored of groups and I change things up just for fun and that’s why I love FX guns, they are my Lego sets. Literally as soon as I get it to shoot the way I want I change it to get to the next want. To me it’s the journey not the destination. 


then my destination is a little different too, I have minimum interest in groups. To me it’s just the start of my journey, as soon as a gun can shoot consistent groups I work on ballistics validation to chase after that illusive first shot hit at any distances. So cocking effort really isn’t on my list of features nor a light target trigger. in fact I make a point to reset or start from ranging, ballistic calculation, target acquisition, eye alignment then shoot at every shot when I’m not shooting groups to baseline my guns. This is to simulate first shot at random distance on a hunt, my ballistic system cost more than some of my FX guns even. 


either way it’s just a hobby and everyone gets different things out of this hobby we share. I can’t say I’m not tempted by a Dwolf because it is damn awesome, but I like my lego sets too much. LOL




 
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lol!

I went through a similar process with firearms a long time ago.

This was in preparation for mule deer hunting out west. I went through six rifles, trying to find one that would do the trick. Of course I hand loaded for all of them. Had two of them custom built with custom barrels. This was probably a 10 year process for me.

I finally ended up selling all of them and settling on a German single shot stocking Rifle. Funny how things work out.

I did shoot mule deer with various of the rifles, and I learned a lot about ballistics and long range shooting in the process.

The thing I like best about airguns is shooting. No hand loading, no cleaning, no unbelievably high cost of ammunition, no noise, you know the stick. So I love the fact that I can just shoot for hours and get trigger time.

I also used to prairie dog hunt with center fires. I would usually bring 3 to 4 rifles with me on the prairie dog hunt. The preparation in advance was absolutely incredible. From hand loading all the ammo, to firing out to 400 yards and calculating point of impact beyond. I built a few of the varmint rifle’s from scratch. And I actually developed my own wildcat ammo based on a 20 PPC. But that was another lifetime. Now I just like to pull the trigger.

Last, and certainly not least. I’ve shot field target for many many years. And although the ranges are shorter. You have to hit the first shot at an unknown range every time to be competitive.

As they say variety is the spice of life.

mike


 
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The interesting thing is, one isn’t right and one isn’t wrong. They’re both right. 

I find that I’m only shooting my electronic rifles these days. Unless I’m going out for a walk, hunting type of a situation. If I’m sitting down at the bench to shoot, I grab one of my red wolves or now the Delta Wolf.

It’s simply more satisfying to shoot.

I almost never shoot at less than 99 yards, Unless I’m shooting field target, practicing for field target, or shooting at some type of game.

I would love to see a guy like Q play with the electronics on this rifle and see what he could figure out. That may have possibly been some of the reasoning in my attempt to convince him…

mike
 
@flintsack: you probably have already figured out It doesn’t take too much to convince me, especially now I found Impact’s chassis weakness. Sad part about DW is availability, knowing me I’ll say no until I find a good deal. I strictly follow the never say never rule. 🤣🤣



like you with firearms I’m in a certain phase but that obviously will change, just matter of when. my challenge is the lack of home range like you, believe me if I had your range at home I would already have the DW and RW! One day when my kids are older I’ll buy a house/property with room to shoot!!!

my suburban yard is the reason my current favorite gun is my crown super compact tuned at 8fpe:

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stupid part is that crown as pictured cost every bit as much as a RW HP. 🤨😓 


And yes! Variety is the spice of life and I happen to like variety a little too much for now.