Filtering the Input vs. the Output of the Compressor!

This topic, I feel, is one that rarely comes up, and it's the first time I've ever thought about it. Thank you for highlighting this important step for all of us. I will be using the Tuxing 4500 psi for an example if someone like myself wants to give this a try? At the bottom i will list the whys you would have one in place. pic 1) compressor. Pic 2) air intake Pic 3) diagram Pic 4) Parts list. pic 5) how to pic 6) final. Now for the why you would do so:

Air Intake Filter: Why It Matters​

An air intake filter does more than just keep bugs and dust out:

  • Particle Filtration: It traps airborne debris, pollen, and fine dust before it enters the compressor. This protects internal components and reduces wear.
  • Moisture Reduction: Some intake filters include desiccant or moisture-trapping media, helping reduce the humidity pulled into the system—especially useful in muggy environments.
  • Cleaner Output Air: Less contamination at the intake means less work for downstream filters and separators, which is critical when you're trying to keep oil and water out of your tanks and slugs.

🔇 Muffler: What It Actually Does​

A muffler on the intake is primarily for:

  • Noise Reduction: It quiets the suction noise during operation, which can be significant on high-RPM compressors.
  • Minimal Filtration: Some mufflers have a basic foam or mesh screen, but they’re not designed to trap fine particles or moisture.

🛠️ Real-World Trade-Off​

If you're running a Tuxing in a clean, dry indoor space, a muffler might be “good enough” for casual use. But for long-term reliability and cleaner air fills—especially if you're tethering or filling larger tanks—an intake filter is the smarter move. It’s like putting a good air filter on a tuned engine: not glamorous, but it protects your investment.

I hope it can help someone out, i will be using this to build mine at some point.

GerryR, THANK YOU.​


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A lot of things going on in the graph below, but it shows you will not(without extreme and very expensive measures) ever get enough water vapor out of ambient air prior to compressing to 300 bar. This is taken from a british government paper in 2006 when they were revamping their breathing air standards because their old standards left many cases where scuba/scba regulators were freezing up with water if their old standards were followed(nobody with brains by that time followed their old standards and hadn't for years/decades, governments everywhere are slow and stupid at best) You can find the paper if you search for HSE health and safety executive moisture levels in compressed breathing air. The curved lines are air at 100% relative humidity at the different pressures shown bottom right(1,40,200, and 300 BAR). The left hand axis is in celsius and is the dewpoint of the air along each curved lines at 100% relative humidity at each of the 4 pressures. The horizontal axis in the middle of the graph is only for 1 bar at the temp along the curve, it is mg per cubic meter of water vapor at that point of the top red lines temperature at 100%RH. If you follow that red curve to the left, it tapers off and ends at roughly negative 30C dew point for air at 1 bar, and the mg cubic meter is to fine to show on this scale, but is less than 2mg per cubic meter at 1 bar and 20C. I did the math years ago, that is less than 1 percent relative humidity at 20C 1 BAR, and that just gets you to somewhere north of 200 bar and south of 300 bar where that air compressed would be fully saturated with water vapor(100%RH). At 20 C and 300 bar the 100 percent saturation level is at a dew point of near negative 45C(again the scale is too large to get nice fine numbers out of it). If you are out hunting in the winter and it's not really that cold, say 10C, your pcp is filled to 300 bar and you have been out walking or sitting long enough it's temp has equalized, you need air inside it that is getting close to -60C dewpoint, that is much, much closer to 0% relative humidity at 20 deg C and 1 BAR than it is to 1% relative humidity at 20c/1bar. Within reason money wise, you are not going to achieve that on input air at 1 BAR. As @Centercut mentioned in the thread, you filter input air to put clean air in your compressor, not to take water out of it. I think only certain times of the year in certain locations you can find air dry enough to compress to 300 BAR with no water vapor filtration post compression in Antarctica and nowhere else on the face of the earth. If you are wealthy and don't mind wasting tons of money, you can reduce the water vapor in the air around you to that point and compress it without post compression removal of water vapor.

For those who love to say I have never seen water in my tank/tube so I'm good, if you do see water, you were so bad off it is not funny, The act of depressurizing a container at high pressure puts whatever small amt of condensed water vapor was there back to vapor long before the pressure has dropped to the point you can open your pressure vessel, IE: you won't see the water that may have been there if you haven't been feeding it proper dry air.



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I have put a lot of this information into a .doc file including some from the thread that @Jfk742 linked to, but the file is too big to download. I like to keep good info where I can get my hands on it easily. Who said what and the links to the threads are in the .doc file. It's not exhaustive, but I think the important stuff is there. If anyone wants a copy PM me with your contact info, and I'll email you a copy. Thanks to all for your inputs!
 
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I also use a post molecular sieve. I wouldn't just rely on the pre.
That looks great. While I don't know it for sure, I have to believe that not having any condensation occurring within the compressor (as a result of the pre-drying desiccant filter) has to be benficial for the compressor, and hopefully will lead to a longer life and or reduced need for repairs within that life.

And of course, having the post compression molecular sieve filter will guarantee dry air, probably with a longer working life too. Nice set up.
 
@karl_h , I really like this graph and appreciate you posting it - I have been looking for something like it but had not found it before and did not feel like creating it myself. But I don't think you are interpreting it correctly . . . I'll explain it more thoroughly for everybody else to benefit too. I'll also add it to this post again so that it is in one spot to reference. Of course their intent in the chart is to show how very dry 200 and 300 bar air needs to be to prevent any risk of icing at freezing conditions

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First, with all graphs like this (two axis graphs) the X axis is the primary axis for all plots on the chart - it is the condition that one varies on the chart. The Y axis is the result that occurs as one varies the condition on the X axis. So the values on the X axis apply to everything plotted in the chart (if they don't the chart was not made correctly - and I have seen some bogus charts over the years, but this is not one of them). So the X axis is the primary thing of concern and it applies to all four curves plotted on the chart.

Each curve shown on such a chart will represent a different condition of other variables that could be manipulated, and in this case the conditions varied is the pressure of the air.

The graph shows the dewpoint of air for a given concentration of water vapor (the note referencing the bar and temperature values are simply what it is normalized to - since it is in units of mass and not volume, it won't change much as those factors vary, but they are being clear on the conditions) . Each curve shows the temperature (in Celsius) that results in condensation occurring for the given amount of water vapor in the air (in milligrams of H2O per cubic meter of air). At any point on the curves, the RH of the air charge will be at 100% - this occurs by definition, as when the dewpoint is reached the air can't hold any more water in a gaseous state. For any given pressure, points above the line will have an RH below 100% (the farther away from the line the lower the RH) and points below the line are infeasible.

So, what does this mean for us in our use? First, let us look at the line at 300bar - that is air that is fully compressed to ~4500 psi. For most of us shooting in the summer or in "room temperature" conditions, we will be looking at conditions that are about 70F/20C (close enough conversion for looking at the chart). If we look on the 300 bar line for 20C on the Y axis, we will see that the compressed air charge will start to have condensation occur once the water vapor is above about 60 milligrams, or 0.06 grams per cubic meter of air. And if we are going to be using that tank at lower temperatures, we need even dryer air to prevent condensation - per the chart, shooting at freezing will have condensation occurring at anything above about 15 milligrams of water (0.015 grams). I'll say more on the lower temperature situation a bit later.

The next thing we can use the chart for is to consider how much water vapor might be in the "hot" air charge as it leaves the compressor. Lets assume that the air charge after compression is 110F/43C in temperature. Note that I picked this temperature as it is the highest value we can use the with this chart - honestly, I think the air leaving a compressor is actually hotter than this, and it absolutely will be hotter than this with a Yong Heng type of compressor (the air charge will be hotter than the value shown on any water temperature gauge, as the hot air is the source of the heat into that water, thus it will be higher than the gauge says by some amount - it cannot be lower and probably will not be the same). Working off that temperature on the chart and the 300 bar line, we see that the dew point will be right at about 200 mg (0.2 grams per cubic meter). Now the air will start to cool down before it gets to the tank, but if we use that value we will see that there could be as much as 140 milligrams (0.14 grams) that will condense out when the air charge cools down to ambient as it sits in the tank (more if the air is even hotter). Ideally we want to capture that in a desiccant and not have it end up in our tank. And I'll also point out that this is why that simply seeing no condensation upon venting the line in not adequate proof that the air is dry - it can still contain vapor that will condense out later.

Now we have to consider what to do about drying our air, and we can use the 1 bar line to help guide us in that effort. If our goal is to dry the air down to no more than 60 milligrams of vapor per cubic meter, we can use that point on the 1 bar line to read to the dew point that we need the air to dry to (since most desiccants are rated in how dry they can get air to be at atmospheric pressure). That point works out to a bit lower than -40C on the chart, and I'll go ahead and interpolate it as being -43C/-45F required for the dewpoint.

It turns out that is the exact rated level for silica gel, but that is right at the limit of what it can do - so the filter needs to have an "excess" amount of media in it to be sure that it will work. The good news for filtering at high pressure is that we are not looking to adsorb much water vapor (just the 0.14 grams per cubic meter we determined above), and the air stream will be moving very slowly though the media (although it is very dense at pressure too). So, it should work well with a normal sized post-compression filter. Pre-compression is a different story - that cubic meter of air Would likely has at least 15 grams of water vapor in it, and the air charge will be flowing about 300 times faster than in the case of post-compression filtration, so it will take a lot more silica gel to do the job, and the air path will have to be a lot longer to get it done fully and correctly (if not long enough, most of the water will be adsorbed, but not enough to hit the desired threshold, so post compression filtration will still be needed).

A molecular sieve can do much better - it can reach dewpoints as low as about -70C/-100F if the path is long enough with the right size beads, but I prefer to be conservative and suggest treating it as being down to -50C/-60F as a base case. Looking at the 1 bar line we see that a value of -50C dewpoint would yield about 30 milligrams (0.03 grams) of water vapor. One can see that filtering post compression with molecular sieve is "easy" to do properly. It also would be "easier" to do it pre-compression too, except for the fact that most molecular sieve media are either non-rechargeable or require very high temps to recharge, thus it becomes much more expensive to go down this path.

I think the best scenario would be much like @Ta-Ta Toothie does in the post a few above this - get most out pre compression to benefit the compressor and finish the job properly with a molecular sieve drier after compression. Honestly, running the post compression with silica gel would probably be good enough for most shooters, but molecular sieve is clearly better.

I'll go ahead and discuss one more thing, and that is about what happens when tanks that are filled per the above discussion having been dried with silica gel media (such that there is no meaningful condensation occurring in them are used at room temperature). If filled per the above conditions, there will be no liquid water in the tank, but the air in the tank will be at ~100% RH. So when the tank is chilled by taking it outside in the cold of winter to shoot, some water vapor will have to condense out to liquid. We can tell how much could condense out by the chart data, which we did up above and found that at freezing, the air could only hold 15 milligrams of water as vapor. Thus 45 milligrams (0.045 grams) will condense out into liquid water (per cubic meter of air at 1 bar). In practice, if that is all we are doing we really do not need to worry about it - when the tank warms back up, that liquid will likely revert to vapor - especially if we leave the tank at a lower pressure for a while. Note that at 200 bar the air can support up to 90 milligrams per cubic meter - of course we also need to remember that at 200 bar there would be about 1/3 less air in the tank, so it can't hold as much, but the slow evaporation, coupled with refilling and cycling at room temperature over time, the water will certainly evaporate in the tank. That said, if cold shooting or storage is a frequent reality, that shooter would be best served with molecular sieve as the drying agent . . .

That's clearly long enough for one post . . . my best wishes for happy shooting with dry air to all! :)
 
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