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Field Target is an arms race.

IMHO you were doing good right until the last line. Yeah, we need to encourage ways for new shooters to get into a match and still knock down targets. No, what we dont need is people with 20+ years of FT going out there and absolutely dominating a newbie friendly class so that it's unsurprisingly 'uncompetitive' for the noobs to join. Adding in cash prizes just to give the old guys more incentive to go beat up on new people will SURELY bring more fodder for us to stomp on.
Sounds like we might need to add some rules to the low price point equipment class. Maybe no competitors with over 2 or maybe 3 years of experience allowed?
What else would make it work to make it easier to enter the game and keep them coming back?
 
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I think PRS or NRL Hunter has an amateur and pro division, you win a match or two (something like that) next season you have to shoot it the higher division (may be points based). I believe silhouettes has levels as well so when you get a certain score you jump up a level and are not really valid in the lower levels. PRS and NRL have a factory division with cost restrictions and the various rules covering barrel replacements etc.

The downside is likely more things to patrol/police as a MD. I do however believe that AAFTA should have a amateur competition level with prizes, like an amateur Grand Prix season where you win (or place in the top three or four) and move up into the general FT ranks...

I also think regional national championships/grand prix should be a thing.
 
Sounds like we might need to add some rules to the low price point equipment class. Maybe no competitors with over 2 or maybe 3 years of experience allowed?
What else would make it work to make it easier to enter the game and keep them coming back?
I have 2 ideas, but unfortunately, they're more about changing parts of the game than it is just adding classes - and sadly the cost of which ends up at the club level.

Last time I got into threads like this, I did some (admittedly basic somewhat anecdotal) market research. Between classifieds, and airgun marketplaces that cater to the general airgun community - there are more .22 options available in multiple price tiers than there are in sub-20 (generally .177). Given other posts about increasing popularity of some other higher power sports, and American general 'more power' sentiment - I'd suspect that the vast majority of mid-tier non-Walmart style break-barrel rifles sold are above 20fpe, likely .22. If you just got your new rifle from Pyramyd and want to check out a fun game -- there's a good chance you're over the FPE limit and can't play without buying another gun.

Option 1 is the targets change to meet the needs of the American market. That means replacing a bunch of targets made with metal not designed to get pulverized by high powered rifles. I think there can/should still be an upper limit so people arent out there with an Airforce Texan. That's a cost that is (very understandably) hard to toss out there to a club...probably a few thousand dollars. I dont have the engineering background, but I'd also assume those new targets would end up too heavy and cause some issues with WFTF sub-12 not able to knock em down, so it's a consideration as to why it's not a 'great' idea, but it is AN idea.

Option 2 is setting out a few more easier targets (how many I dont know) just for newer shooters. Lets face it - as high end guns are becoming laser beams, MDs have to keep stretching the limits of the rules on KZ sizes, distances, and positioning to keep the great shooters from consistently cleaning courses and being bored and not showing up to matches. The harder it is for a 15 year pro with a Thomas, the EXPONENTIALLY harder it will ever be for a second year shooter with an Avenger. To keep the golf analogy going - there's ladies/kids tee boxes to make it a little easier. They're not competing in the same class as men's pro. On a lane with a stupid high troyer target, toss in a very reasonable one that noob class replaces that shot with. They're not competing with the experts. Yes, it means clubs have to buy some additional targes AND have to think about course design and manpower with setup. Not an ideal solution, but having 5-8 extra targets in the rotation is a far bit cheaper than replacing 30 or 40 with better steel.

I'm not saying I have the perfect (or even correct) idea. I do think, if we want to get people in, we need to it more accessible to the average person. We need it to be FUN to participate - and ultimately that means the thrill of knocking down enough targets to make it feel like you had a good time on the course, got your money's worth of fun, and didnt waste a day missing 95% of the shots. What that number is - probably need some time and research. Either way, whatever means a good experience for new shooters without making it too boring and easy for the hardcore competitors.

WHat we dont need is people who already own the kit pulling the ladder up behind them and telling new people to pony up a mortgage payment or two or 'learn to suffer through the bad scores' until they can play with the big kids.
 
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I think PRS or NRL Hunter has an amateur and pro division, you win a match or two (something like that) next season you have to shoot it the higher division (may be points based). I believe silhouettes has levels as well so when you get a certain score you jump up a level and are not really valid in the lower levels. PRS and NRL have a factory division with cost restrictions and the various rules covering barrel replacements etc.

The downside is likely more things to patrol/police as a MD. I do however believe that AAFTA should have a amateur competition level with prizes, like an amateur Grand Prix season where you win (or place in the top three or four) and move up into the general FT ranks...

I also think regional national championships/grand prix should be a thing.
I wonder though if there are more people into rimfire comps than airguns? I cant find numbers for the rimfire comps but Ive heard numbers for FT shooters and its not a lot.
It would be good to see some hard numbers year over year taken from each club to see the growth or shrinkage in FT. Would help manufactures and sponsors too!
 
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I have 2 ideas, but unfortunately, they're more about changing parts of the game than it is just adding classes - and sadly the cost of which ends up at the club level.

Last time I got into threads like this, I did some (admittedly basic somewhat anecdotal) market research. Between classifieds, and airgun marketplaces that cater to the general airgun community - there are more .22 options available in multiple price tiers than there are in sub-20 (generally .177). Given other posts about increasing popularity of some other higher power sports, and American general 'more power' sentiment - I'd suspect that the vast majority of mid-tier non-Walmart style break-barrel rifles sold are above 20fpe, likely .22. If you just got your new rifle from Pyramyd and want to check out a fun game -- there's a good chance you're over the FPE limit and can't play without buying another gun.

Option 1 is the targets change to meet the needs of the American market. That means replacing a bunch of targets made with metal not designed to get pulverized by high powered rifles. I think there can/should still be an upper limit so people arent out there with an Airforce Texan. That's a cost that is (very understandably) hard to toss out there to a club...probably a few thousand dollars. I dont have the engineering background, but I'd also assume those new targets would end up too heavy and cause some issues with WFTF sub-12 not able to knock em down, so it's a consideration as to why it's not a 'great' idea, but it is AN idea.

Option 2 is setting out a few more easier targets (how many I dont know) just for newer shooters. Lets face it - as high end guns are becoming laser beams, MDs have to keep stretching the limits of the rules on KZ sizes, distances, and positioning to keep the great shooters from consistently cleaning courses and being bored and not showing up to matches. The harder it is for a 15 year pro with a Thomas, the EXPONENTIALLY harder it will ever be for a second year shooter with an Avenger. To keep the golf analogy going - there's ladies/kids tee boxes to make it a little easier. They're not competing in the same class as men's pro. On a lane with a stupid high troyer target, toss in a very reasonable one that noob class replaces that shot with. They're not competing with the experts. Yes, it means clubs have to buy some additional targes AND have to think about course design and manpower with setup. Not an ideal solution, but having 5-8 extra targets in the rotation is a far bit cheaper than replacing 30 or 40 with better steel.

I'm not saying I have the perfect (or even correct) idea. I do think, if we want to get people in, we need to it more accessible to the average person. We need it to be FUN to participate - and ultimately that means the thrill of knocking down enough targets to make it feel like you had a good time on the course, got your money's worth of fun, and didnt waste a day missing 95% of the shots. What that number is - probably need some time and research. Either way, whatever means a good experience for new shooters without making it too boring and easy for the hardcore competitors.

WHat we dont need is people who already own the kit pulling the ladder up behind them and telling new people to pony up a mortgage payment or two or 'learn to suffer through the bad scores' until they can play with the big kids.
On that note, why do we limit distance to 55yds? We have shot out to 75yds with accuracy on FT targets. Again, club level thing I get it. BUt if you wanted to make things harder for experienced shooters, go longer. Length and offhand are the challenge in this game.
 
On that note, why do we limit distance to 55yds? We have shot out to 75yds with accuracy on FT targets. Again, club level thing I get it. BUt if you wanted to make things harder for experienced shooters, go longer. Length and offhand are the challenge in this game.
As with most things, I presume it's a combination of space and the desire to keep the sub-12s able to shoot the same course.
 
On that note, why do we limit distance to 55yds? We have shot out to 75yds with accuracy on FT targets. Again, club level thing I get it. BUt if you wanted to make things harder for experienced shooters, go longer. Length and offhand are the challenge in this game.
Field Target started in the UK where they shoot out to 50 meters or 55 yards to us Colonials. Keeping the different games somewhat similar in format increases the availability of scopes, pellets, and rifles available from manufacturers worldwide.

Instead of going longer, you can just make KZ's smaller. That is the easiest way to increase difficulty, but per AAFTA rules there are limits that you violate. Limits are in place to insure everyone in the US can play by the same rules, but MD's can violate them for local matches.
 
I wonder though if there are more people into rimfire comps than airguns? I cant find numbers for the rimfire comps but Ive heard numbers for FT shooters and its not a lot.
It would be good to see some hard numbers year over year taken from each club to see the growth or shrinkage in FT. Would help manufactures and sponsors too!
Before NRL Hunter 22LR came to be we may have stood a chance, I see a few manufacturers selling high end 22LR like hotcakes. If 22LR competitions had fewer participants I think they will overcome that deficit pretty quickly with 22 NRL matches if NRL Hunter participation is an indicator (selling out events months in advance).

As I mentioned before our "club", event really, has only seen a recent decline due to the scheduling of RMAC, if anything we've added a person or two over the years even as people come and go or attend RMAC... Steady with possible growth.

I don't think the overall numbers of AAFTA FT competitors are down, they have just left Open... LOL
 
On that note, why do we limit distance to 55yds? We have shot out to 75yds with accuracy on FT targets. Again, club level thing I get it. BUt if you wanted to make things harder for experienced shooters, go longer. Length and offhand are the challenge in this game.
The 18-19fpe guns are more than capable of greater than 55 yards.
Those of us that camp and make a weekend of it shoot a silhouette match on Friday evenings of the Sat AM summer time field target matches. We use our sub 20fpe field target guns and ft positions (almost always stool and sticks) and shoot the typical animals: ram, turkey, pig, chicken, chicken. That bank of animals at each of either 40, 50, 60, 70 or 50, 60, 70, 80 yards. It's not uncommon for the winner to have a 40/40 silhouette match, and if there's not a perfect score the winner will be somethin like 38 or 39/40. The chickens have a cross section of roughly an inch. I believe they are 1/5 sized silhouettes.

Anyway, pushing past the 55yard/50meter AAFTA limit is an absolute impossibility. The WFTF'rs will never allow it, as the AAFTA matches are their only opportunity for regular practice, and something like 85-90% of the current AAFTA BOG are WFTF shooters. And I'm not faulting them for this, if I was a WFTF'r, I too would want my practice matches to be as similar to the once a year World's matches as possible.
 
I don't think the overall numbers of AAFTA FT competitors are down, they have just left Open... LOL
I was surprised to see 4 Open class shooters at the local monthly match in June. Two of them I'd never met or seen before.

But GENERALLY, yes, Open class has all but died at the clubs where I attend matches. Over the course of 6-8 years, it went from a solid 6-8 (and occasionally more) to one or two or even zero people in Open.
 
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