I've read in several places that these are the same guns.
Apparently, these people have not had both guns in their hands, or shot them. While yes, the guts are most probably the same, I assume that they come out of the same factory, and probably even the same part of the warehouse.
I have...both guns.
FAS 6004 - The grip angle is steep. Much like a Glock. The overall finish is good, but for a few casting marks that were not "finished" before adding the black, paint / anodize / Ceracoat, etc. The trigger is adjustable for angle, stage one and stage two loads. The book says the trigger can be moved back and forth. That's not quite right. The trigger "angle" can be adjusted, which "sort of" changes the fore and aft position. But it's actually the angle of the trigger that's adjusted. The pivot point...is NOT adjustable.
Sig Sauer ASP - The grip angle is more straight up and down. More similar to the 1911 Colt, the Sig Sauer line of guns, Browning Hi Power. The guns overall finish is slightly better than the FAS, in that all of the frame and "slide", and trigger casting lines have been removed prior to the coating. The Trigger resembles the "original" Colt 1911. That is, it's buried in the frame and only a small amount of trigger is visible / or feelable. The instructions also say...that the trigger can be moved fore and aft. See above. The trigger "angle" can be moved making it "sort of" making it seem like the trigger is moved. Again, the "pivot point" is NOT moved on either gun, just the angle, But, the way the trigger on the Sig is designed and installed, it makes it "seem" more like it's moved backward or forward.
Other stuff - While I have not taken either gun apart, the "feel" of the triggers seems different because of the design and location in the frame. You are almost forced to use just the pad of your finger with the Sig Sauer, kinda like you are supposed to shoot. While with the FAS, you can pull from the "second" joint, the first joint or the pad of your finger. As shipped...the Sig Sauer trigger, while "slightly" a harder pull, (no gauge), the first stage is slightly shorter than the FAS, with a slightly more obvious, crisp wall. Both guns have a fairly crisp let-off, with little overtravel, (my copies !). The gun weights are similar, the barrel length is similar. The barrel on my FAS needed a little work. I removed it to put some lead or chamfer on the breech end. The Sig is good as is.
The grip angle shows a huge difference. I have a Glock 21, .45. I've not shot it that much (in many...years of ownership) because I never cared for the steeper angle of the grip. Back in my younger days, I could hit a moving target (can in a stream), every shot, rapid firing my Browning Hi Power (9mm). I'm also pretty good with my P229 (9mm) and P220 (.45), Sig Sauer's and my two Colt .45, 1911's. They all have much the same grip angle. So I guess it's it's somewhat obvious that I like the grip angle of the Sig ASP, MUCH better than the FAS 6004. After attaching and aligning the Sig Sauer, Romeo 1 red dot (first 4 or 5 shots) onto my new ASP, my first three shots were in the same hole, shooting off hand at about 22ft. While I do like the design / feel of the grip panels on the FAS, over the smooth panels on the Sig ASP, again, the angle is the #1. My FAS 6004 has a Delta Point Pro, red dot sight on it. I actually like the Delta Point Pro over the Sig Romeo 1.
Again, I don't have a chronograph, but according to the factory specs., the Sig is supposed to be about 20fps faster...NOT a big deal, can't tell the difference in sound. Both have a soft / light pop upon firing them. I think both guns have mostly the same guts, so, I don't know where that 20fps might come from. The air inlet port is in the same place on both chambers. Shooting the Meisterkugeln 7gr, wad cutters on both guns. I can shoot well with the FAS, it just takes a lot more concentration to get my wrist at the correct angle.
So...(I HATE starting a sentence with "SO"..), if you are thinking of getting one of these shingle shot wonders... If you like the steeper angle of the Glock grip, the FAS 6004 might be a good choice. If you like the more straight / vertical angle of the Sig Sauer, Colt 1911, Browning Hi Power, then the Sig ASP might be the better fit.
Both guns, overall are well built, and should outlast me by a bunch..!
Mike
Apparently, these people have not had both guns in their hands, or shot them. While yes, the guts are most probably the same, I assume that they come out of the same factory, and probably even the same part of the warehouse.
I have...both guns.
FAS 6004 - The grip angle is steep. Much like a Glock. The overall finish is good, but for a few casting marks that were not "finished" before adding the black, paint / anodize / Ceracoat, etc. The trigger is adjustable for angle, stage one and stage two loads. The book says the trigger can be moved back and forth. That's not quite right. The trigger "angle" can be adjusted, which "sort of" changes the fore and aft position. But it's actually the angle of the trigger that's adjusted. The pivot point...is NOT adjustable.
Sig Sauer ASP - The grip angle is more straight up and down. More similar to the 1911 Colt, the Sig Sauer line of guns, Browning Hi Power. The guns overall finish is slightly better than the FAS, in that all of the frame and "slide", and trigger casting lines have been removed prior to the coating. The Trigger resembles the "original" Colt 1911. That is, it's buried in the frame and only a small amount of trigger is visible / or feelable. The instructions also say...that the trigger can be moved fore and aft. See above. The trigger "angle" can be moved making it "sort of" making it seem like the trigger is moved. Again, the "pivot point" is NOT moved on either gun, just the angle, But, the way the trigger on the Sig is designed and installed, it makes it "seem" more like it's moved backward or forward.
Other stuff - While I have not taken either gun apart, the "feel" of the triggers seems different because of the design and location in the frame. You are almost forced to use just the pad of your finger with the Sig Sauer, kinda like you are supposed to shoot. While with the FAS, you can pull from the "second" joint, the first joint or the pad of your finger. As shipped...the Sig Sauer trigger, while "slightly" a harder pull, (no gauge), the first stage is slightly shorter than the FAS, with a slightly more obvious, crisp wall. Both guns have a fairly crisp let-off, with little overtravel, (my copies !). The gun weights are similar, the barrel length is similar. The barrel on my FAS needed a little work. I removed it to put some lead or chamfer on the breech end. The Sig is good as is.
The grip angle shows a huge difference. I have a Glock 21, .45. I've not shot it that much (in many...years of ownership) because I never cared for the steeper angle of the grip. Back in my younger days, I could hit a moving target (can in a stream), every shot, rapid firing my Browning Hi Power (9mm). I'm also pretty good with my P229 (9mm) and P220 (.45), Sig Sauer's and my two Colt .45, 1911's. They all have much the same grip angle. So I guess it's it's somewhat obvious that I like the grip angle of the Sig ASP, MUCH better than the FAS 6004. After attaching and aligning the Sig Sauer, Romeo 1 red dot (first 4 or 5 shots) onto my new ASP, my first three shots were in the same hole, shooting off hand at about 22ft. While I do like the design / feel of the grip panels on the FAS, over the smooth panels on the Sig ASP, again, the angle is the #1. My FAS 6004 has a Delta Point Pro, red dot sight on it. I actually like the Delta Point Pro over the Sig Romeo 1.
Again, I don't have a chronograph, but according to the factory specs., the Sig is supposed to be about 20fps faster...NOT a big deal, can't tell the difference in sound. Both have a soft / light pop upon firing them. I think both guns have mostly the same guts, so, I don't know where that 20fps might come from. The air inlet port is in the same place on both chambers. Shooting the Meisterkugeln 7gr, wad cutters on both guns. I can shoot well with the FAS, it just takes a lot more concentration to get my wrist at the correct angle.
So...(I HATE starting a sentence with "SO"..), if you are thinking of getting one of these shingle shot wonders... If you like the steeper angle of the Glock grip, the FAS 6004 might be a good choice. If you like the more straight / vertical angle of the Sig Sauer, Colt 1911, Browning Hi Power, then the Sig ASP might be the better fit.
Both guns, overall are well built, and should outlast me by a bunch..!
Mike
