every winter I get the feeling something is wrong with "25 meter" competition!

[Therealld]

See,

Winter is typically when some shooters begin to shoot indoors at only 22.86 meters rather than a full 25 meters the International 25M target was designed for. The shorter distance is pretty close to 10% less, and yet many "perfect score records" are set at this abbreviated distance. Yes, I know the powers that be have said its ok to shoot indoor matches at the 75 foot distance rather than the full 82+feet, but I feel there should be reduced size targets to go with the indoor shooting.

I wonder how many more perfect scores would occur with a target reduced by 10% in size?

For grins, I have shot a couple times OUTDOORS in the wind (we always have wind) at only 25 yards, and feel it was giving me two or three points extra, making "250" cards a lot easier.



what say?

 

[stoti]

If conditions dictate, that’s just how it is I guess. It’s a shorter distance for everyone, an even playing field, so to speak.
Have you shot perfect scores and are looking for more of a challenge or are you perturbed by others shooting perfect scores because it’s too easy? I hope that doesn’t sound rude, not my intention at all. Are the better scores because of the size and distance of the targets or the perfect shooting conditions indoors? I’m sure you know that most governing bodies are usually reluctant to make changes like this. Have a great Holiday!

Stoti

 

[nomojo65]

This is what I do Because I only have just under 17yds in my basements reduced target by about 25% and use two oscillation fans one at about 2yds and other at 6yds! But that’s all I can do and this is only for practice no competition except for a friend and we shoot 3-cards then switch off

 

[whitefox545]

In reality it is not a perfect score till you get a 250 with 25 x's and I doubt to many have ever done that! But it has been done. That being said it's all in fun and your only really shooting against your self anyways!! In the end we all get paid the same!! "Not trying to be rude either" just stating a fact!! J.L.

 

[Therealld]

I do occasionally shoot "250" cards outdoors in the wind, but I never shoot indoors. I have never fired a perfect "750" outdoors, and don't know if I ever will. My issue is that indoor is enough easier than outdoor without reducing the distance 10% on top of it. Its not so hard to have decent targets made to 10% reduced size, and I feel it would be more fair. Simply claiming the scores were done indoors isn't even always done, s I see it, but I doubt there is much real knowledge of the true differences between the outdoor and indoor matches with respect to the distance advantage.

Its bad enough that most cards are fired with .177 cal yet scored using .224 plugs (i doubt there would be even half as many "250's" fired if .177 plugs were used, even though .22 cal pellets rarely produce holes larger than .165" dia, and .177 cal pellets holes are rarely over .150" dia.. Yes, we could use .177 plugs for all legal calibers!

 

[Therealld]

I'm not aware of any experienced 25M airgun benchrest competitors that would use the term "perfect score" ONLY to designate all X's, since X's are used to break ties, but do not increase the numerical score. Ties between 750 scores are usually broken by the "first X miss" is my understanding, but I have never participated in sanctioned match where it reached that point. I'm sure rimfire guys have had to do that, but no sanctioned 25M rimfire matches are held anymore, so far as I know.

*oops, I reviewed the International rules, and the term "perfect score" WAS used to describe a card with all X's. I can only attribute this to the fact that many 25X cards have apparently been fired during rimfire events. That said, in airgun events, I have often heard of perfect score cards meaning "250" numerical score. I KNOW there have been a number of 750's fired in so-called POSTAL matches, but I don't know of any fired in official sanctioned National or International outdoor events.

 

[Therealld]

I like that you are deliberately making reduced targets! When we first started practicing for International competition in 2010, we had targets made that looked good, only to discover they were very slightly undersized .... the card border was around 1/2" or so smaller than the official spec. We soon corrected the problem, as the cards were going to be used to qualify for the World match held in 2011.

 

[leadfoot]

25 meters means 25 meters. 

I shoot competitive Trapshooting. If your handicap is 22 or 25 or 27 yards, you do not get to elect to shoot closer. You shoot the yardage you have earned. 

Shooting closer is... well... not sporting

 

[nomojo65]

I found this from some local club matches indoors @ 17yds we shoot in the winter months (when it’s 15deg and a foot of snow on the ground!) this is harder than you think competing against 10m FWB’s, STEYR’s and WALTHER’s ( you’ll notice I didn’t get a single X on second card because the pellet has to be completely in the center bull if it touches the ring it’s only a 10! )

 

[Therealld]

Nice cards! Yes, that is the same target we began shooting in our benchrest competitions over a decade ago, but at the time we shot for GROUPS at fifty yards! WE soon found it was dicey to score five shot groups becuase it was hard to prove the number of shots in the bull, so we went to three cards with ten 3 shot groups per card, then scored all 30 groups for ctc diameter, and averaged the sum for score. That card, which I call the "A36" target, is my alltime favorite, and I still use em all the time to evaluate accuracy. It was the first target I ever fired on in a benchrest match (50 feet like you do) .... way back at an outdoor rnatch in Santa Monica using a Winchester 52 rifle with 10x Fecker scope ... back on the late 70's I'd say.

The A36 target is great, but I mostly use it at either 25M or 51y nowadays.