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The Browning Air Rutten is a spring rifle that is cocked with the push of a button. On the video I watched the mechanism was loud and slow, like slowly cocking a manual springer. Other than that I think it’s an ingenious rifle that can especially be helpful for young or old people that lack the strength to cock a springer and don’t want to get into PCPs. Perhaps this technology didn’t catch on because it was too noisy or took too long to cock for some. But with the progression of electronics with stronger motors to cock the gun faster and a gas ram, I think would make this make an awesome rifle to shoot. No more hard cocking and no need for compressors, tanks, or hand pumps
 
Very interesting! I wonder why these fell out of favor? I could see it being a budget-friendly alternative to PCPs, but with the entry price of PCPs getting lower over that past few years that may be why we didn't see this kind of technology take off.
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I didn’t mean as entry level for price, entry level for young gunners who lack the strength to cock a spring rifle
 
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Very interesting! I wonder why these fell out of favor? I could see it being a budget-friendly alternative to PCPs, but with the entry price of PCPs getting lower over that past few years that may be why we didn't see this kind of technology take off.
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Or maybe they realized it was stupid to begin with
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Many people think hunting with air guns is stupid and a waste of money. I bet there were people to think it was stupid at every new stage of development for air guns. It was once considered stupid to try and fly a plane against the laws of physics but yet here we are today with stupid Boeing 747s. You know what’s stupid, to dismiss something as stupid because one iteration of it didn’t catch favor with the crowd
 
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Seems like backwards engineering to me. With the availability of cheap PCPs and pumps these days, no reason to be fooling with all that. Because by the time you made it work well, and build a GOOD quality and ACCURATE rifle around it, it would cost a fortune anyway. 

And the first thing that people like to complain about with springers that are accurate is "they are too heavy to carry around..." Can you imagine what a well made springer with all that junk built in would weigh? 

Sorry to disagree, but I have no problem seeing why this never went anywhere. 
 
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I’m going to disagree with you on how heavy or bulky it would be with “all that junk”. If you looked at the video you can see that the rifle looks to be the same size if not smaller than some spring guns on the market. You clearly underestimate how advanced electronics has become since the invention of that rifle. If they were able to produce a rifle that looks just as slim as the traditional springers then, now they would be able to have an even lighter rifle with today’s technology. I can’t imagine it being any heavier than a Diana 54 or some FWBs. 
I will agree that the price would be steep for such a rifle. That is to be expected of a rifle that completely removes physical strength to operate it. Quite the feat even if the first rendition of it didn’t catch on. If this idea is executed properly, with stronger motors and lithium batteries, it would not only cock faster but be even lighter than this first electric springer. 
By the way it only took a few hundred years for PCPs to go from an invention that didn’t catch on, to the fast growing industry it is today. For hundreds of years PCPs were dismissed. The PCP put on a shelf for hundreds of years because it was too expensive to make and required too much maintenance. Just because this rendition of the electric springer failed doesn’t mean that a more successful version won’t come along. With today’s technology they could make that rifle cock faster than any human could, and be lighter than the one in the video.
You guys can’t see the purpose it would serve because you aren’t a 9 year old kid who lacks the strength to cock a springer or a 75 year old who can’t cock the old springer like he used to. Not everyone wants to get into PCPs, which have more of a chance of needing to be fixed and require you to lug around a compressor or tank if you want to go all day shooting at the range or woods. I think it would fill a niche for those types of airgunners. For the the younger, stronger airgunners or more patient ones(for the PCPs) this rifle probably wouldn’t entertain you because you have no problem cocking your R9 or replacing the seal on your Impact for the 100th time that month
 
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Seems like backwards engineering to me. With the availability of cheap PCPs and pumps these days, no reason to be fooling with all that. Because by the time you made it work well, and build a GOOD quality and ACCURATE rifle around it, it would cost a fortune anyway. 

And the first thing that people like to complain about with springers that are accurate is "they are too heavy to carry around..." Can you imagine what a well made springer with all that junk built in would weigh? 

Sorry to disagree, but I have no problem seeing why this never went anywhere.
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PCPs come off as backwards engineering if we’re to take your perspective. With the availability of cheap powder burners, no reason to be fooling with all the seals, pumps, and compressors. Just load up your bullets and shoot. But we all know there are advantages to shooting airguns over PBs. Just as their are advantages to shooting a rifle that requires NO effort to cock it. Not an advantage for you maybe but sure would be for a 9 yr old kid or 75 yr old man
 
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When I was 9 I had to pump up a Daisy 880 8 times for every shot. As did all my 9 year old friends. It wasnt ever a problem then. 

If you are confident in this revolutionary design, I'm sure there is a company looking for investors to get this project off the ground. Put some money towards it, get the project going, and have your name put on it. 

Im a huge springer fan, I totally understand all the benefits of a springer. But adding batteries and gizmos to one completely defeats the purpose. 

You dismiss all the junk to drag around for a full day of shooting a PCP. But you don't seem to have a problem worrying about a dead battery or finding a way to charge the dead battery. And reliability? With all the gears and high stressed electric crap involved? Particularly when it's likely Chinese to keep it at any sane remotely reasonable price point? What happens when you try to shoot several shots in succession and the components start to get hot?

Parts in a PCP are pretty damn low stressed. Parts in a springer are asked to hold back 100s of pounds. A guy (especially a feeble old one) can take apart a PCP with very basic hand tools without fear of a huge spring getting loose, and replace the 10 cent oring that is almost always the failure point. Now try and repair the electro-springer and we still have the spring or ram to deal with, and parts have to be ordered from who knows where and probably takes electrical AND mechanical knowledge to fix. You can get orings anywhere, they are standard parts. 

Who would pay $1000 for that to be rewarded with hold sensitivity and limited power, when you can get a PCP for $400 and a pump for $300? 

I see where you are coming from with your reasons for having this, but I can't see why c02, SSPs, or PCPs wouldn't be cheaper, lighter, and more accurate and reliable. 

I love spring guns and all that they offer, I truly do. But this gun, provides all the downfalls and more of a PCP, and retains the only negative aspect that a springer inherently has: recoil. 
 
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Seems like backwards engineering to me. With the availability of cheap PCPs and pumps these days, no reason to be fooling with all that. Because by the time you made it work well, and build a GOOD quality and ACCURATE rifle around it, it would cost a fortune anyway. 

And the first thing that people like to complain about with springers that are accurate is "they are too heavy to carry around..." Can you imagine what a well made springer with all that junk built in would weigh? 

Sorry to disagree, but I have no problem seeing why this never went anywhere.
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I carry around a springer for hours hunting. My Magnums weighing 10lbs. They are not any heavier than my .50 muzzle loaders or .270. I think it a great idea that could be improved. A fixed barrel springer. Magnum power. Auto cocking. Multiple round. Long life lithium battery. Ram piston so you can leave it cocked. If geared right the cocking time could be shortened.

Would get rid of the electronic safety. 

No need to pump it up or all the extra equipment. 

Only your rifle a couple tins of pellets, your rifle and a extra battery.
 
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I don’t know how many shots per charge the rifle got or how reliable it was or wasn’t. I’m not going to assume what it was. For all we know they were reliable. Let’s assume the battery dies, a spare would be something that could fit in your pocket. A few spares in your backpack. If I were to venture into making an electronic springer it wouldn’t be Chinese made. Japan for the electronics, and Germany for everything else. 
As stated before this would be a niche product for those who don’t want to get into PCPs. Just a rifle, some small batteries, and a small charger. 
The recoil is a disadvantage as well as the added mechanical and electrical components that would more than likely need to be sent off to be repaired.

This technology is already successful in another industry. It may not be exactly the same but it is essentially the same power plant as an electric air soft gun. Gears and electronics compress a spring to shoot the projectile. It would not be that hard for someone (with the required skills) to beef up the components to shoot pellets. I imagine the biggest factor in Spring gun companies developing this technology is the R&D required to improve it and the cost of setting up your factory to produce a completely different product. There haven’t been any major advancements in the spring gun category for a while. It’s as if the manufacturers gave into the fast growing PCP market and decided to stick with what has been selling for decades. That and the fact that it is a niche gun that serves a smaller part of the AG community 
 
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Seems like backwards engineering to me. With the availability of cheap PCPs and pumps these days, no reason to be fooling with all that. Because by the time you made it work well, and build a GOOD quality and ACCURATE rifle around it, it would cost a fortune anyway. 

And the first thing that people like to complain about with springers that are accurate is "they are too heavy to carry around..." Can you imagine what a well made springer with all that junk built in would weigh? 

Sorry to disagree, but I have no problem seeing why this never went anywhere.
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I carry around a springer for hours hunting. My Magnums weighing 10lbs. They are not any heavier than my .50 muzzle loaders or .270. I think it a great idea that could be improved. A fixed barrel springer. Magnum power. Auto cocking. Multiple round. Long life lithium battery. If geared right the cocking time could be shortened.

No need to pump it up or all the extra equipment. 

Only your rifle a couple tins of pellets, your rifle and a extra battery.
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Magnum power and multiple rounds would be icing on the cake
 
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Septicdeath,

I know some folks seem perfectly happy lugging heavy rifles through the woods hunting. But if your centerfire rifles are tipping the scales at ten pounds or more you need to shop a little harder for a rifle. I have at least a half dozen scoped, centerfire hunting rifles and none of them is anywhere near ten pounds. One .300WSM is only about seven and a half pounds.


 
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Septicdeath,

I know some folks seem perfectly happy lugging heavy rifles through the woods hunting. But if your centerfire rifles are tipping the scales at ten pounds or more you need to shop a little harder for a rifle. I have at least a half dozen scoped, centerfire hunting rifles and none of them is anywhere near ten pounds. One .300WSM is only about seven and a half pounds.

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My scoped pre-64 Winchester M70 was in the 9-10 lb range and it didn't bother me. Even at 16 years old.
 
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Septicdeath,

I know some folks seem perfectly happy lugging heavy rifles through the woods hunting. But if your centerfire rifles are tipping the scales at ten pounds or more you need to shop a little harder for a rifle. I have at least a half dozen scoped, centerfire hunting rifles and none of them is anywhere near ten pounds. One .300WSM is only about seven and a half pounds.

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My scoped pre-64 Winchester M70 was in the 9-10 lb range and it didn't bother me. Even at 16 years old.
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It didn't bother me either when I was 16. That doesn't mean I want to lug that weight if I don't have to. My Model 70 is just a little over 8 lbs. It isn't a pre-64 but I've done a good bit of deer and black bear hunting with it. 

I am now 73 and could probably still haul a ten pound rifle if I had to but why would I want to?


 
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