Does a springer cut it?

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In my experience my springer is extremely consistent with its velocity. If I ran all 6 of my pcps, several that are double or quadruple the price, I would not be surprised if the springer came out on top. At any rate it's consistency would be very difficult to rival by any regulated pcp. I've measured something like a 4fps deviance on it. 

Accuracy has a lot of variables. I know my springer is laser accurate. But can I shoot it with enough skill to extract that from it? My fx crown on the other hand... I can hand it to anyone and they can nail a 12oz can at 100 yards (using slugs). 0 skill, just aim and fire. 


 
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Ambidextrous nice shooting, sometimes those are the most memorable shots. Crow
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Agreed! However I am partially cheating. I was born mostly a lefty, and my parents would shift stuff to my right hand. As a result I am cross eyed dominant, and I freqently naturally do many things lefty. However, I write, cut paper, and shoot righty. Shooting lefty, although it feels awkward, I usually do very well.
 
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In my experience my springer is extremely consistent with its velocity. If I ran all 6 of my pcps, several that are double or quadruple the price, I would not be surprised if the springer came out on top. At any rate it's consistency would be very difficult to rival by any regulated pcp. I've measured something like a 4fps deviance on it. 

Accuracy has a lot of variables. I know my springer is laser accurate. But can I shoot it with enough skill to extract that from it? My fx crown on the other hand... I can hand it to anyone and they can nail a 12oz can at 100 yards (using slugs). 0 skill, just aim and fire. 

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Agreed here. My best springers have an extreme spread of between 4 and 6 fps. My xisico has an ES of around 12, and is still laser accurate.
 
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The only American made springer I have experience with I absolutely LOVE but can not recommend because they stopped making it...... My sig asp20 is a laser and hits hard (slightly over 21ftlbs about 10 feet from the muzzle).
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Seems only the good ideas die young. From the vids I'm seeing the ASP looks perfect, but I forsake if for a pile of CO2 pistols while they were available. It was too good for this world, I didn't deserve her lol. Really wish they pushed the made in USA point, and how well thought out the design was though. I would've picked on up for sure if someone put one in front of me. Just the stock alone is beautiful but I've always wondered why springers don't use pic-rails exclusively to keep scopes on lockdown, they'll have a pocket drilled to run a set screw down to keep it from walking off on ya and sell you a lil bumper block for +$20. My springers dovetails are so torn up after all the years they look like the burning tire tracks from back to the future when they catch the sun..."we don't need scopes where we're going Marty!"

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Thanks for the heads up man, I'll definitely try tracking one down! Wayyy too nice to pass up.
 
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I can’t reply on that. My only PCP, a Benjamin Discovery is all I have with a hand pump. Pumped it maybe 3 times. You need your favourite nurse standing by to restart your heart, filling that tank. It collects dust. Crow
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I know what you mean. My Benjamin 392 is a hard pumper. OEM says they're to be pumped 8 times ( the 7th & 8th pumps require 34 & 36 lbs respectively ... about what it takes to cock a springer) and if you have the Steroid treatment done to it, you can pump it 14 times for 825 fps.

OTOH, it only needs to be pumped 6 times if you're shooting to 25 yards. Or, 4-5 pumps if the range is 15-20 yards. Pumping it 4 times is easy peasy.
 
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NOT if you hunt Ground Squirrels in California that RARELY let you get closer than 50 or 60 yards. Just the sound of a springer is enough to scare em away let alone not have the accuracy for humane kills at that distance (most, not ALL of them).
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In my blind ground squirrels will often come so close I don't even try. I usually pest them between 10 and 50 yards. My springers all have both the accuracy and power to easily dispatch them even WAAAAYY past my own self imposed limits.
 
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Love my springers even the old beater.

PCP, (once you filled it) does make it easier to shoot well. I would not argue the point that the springer is harder to shoot. BUT,..

This fact does not in any way reduce the ability of the springer to do it's job well. If the additional work of using a springer is not your cup of tea, so be it. that's no reason to badmouth them.Some people find the task of trying to keep a PCP full of air a chore. They too should not assume that others will have the same issue.

To each their own. (I like both!)
 
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I am absolutely hooked on springers. To be honest I’m terrified to buy one nice PCP. Problem is I started this 2 1/2 years, I’ve bought probably 20 Springers all high-end and scopes and all the goodies since. I can’t get past my LGU or my 97’s and 98. You can’t beat a solid springer. Reliable!
Now I did buy Benjamin discovery which turned me off of PCP because I had to pump it with a hand pump. One of my first buys. Probably a good thing I didn’t buy a compressor. 

I like the challenge of the Springers. Crow 


 
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How many here believe that a pcp gun is more accurate than a spring gun? Can pressure deliver a pellet more consistently than a spring driven piston can? Anyone know of a test saying one way or the other?
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How many here believe that a pneumatic is equal to a pcp gun in accuracy and is more accurate than a spring gun?

I put a Pinty red/green dot sight on my .22 Benjamin 392 the other day. It's accuracy now is astounding. The red or green dot it puts out is really tiny. It turns a hosp into a huge target.

Granted, its not going to be the best long range air rifle I have now. But, whatever I see, if I can see it, I know I can hit it.
 
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My main gripe w/ springers is they're too heavy. Heavy rifles are fine for BR and for folks like Crow who look out their window and see a target of opportunity .... but, for carrying around the woods? On a hot summer day? No thank you.

My modded .22 Crosman NP2 Summit Ranger w/ its Tasco 2-10X42mmAO, 1 piece scope mount, sling and LDC weighs approximately 8.5 lbs.

My modded Crosman .177 Optimus w/ its Hatsan 3-9X40mmAO & 1 piece scope mount, weighs approximately 8 lbs.

And those two rifles are kinda light compared to other springers.

OTOH, my Benji 392 w/ its Pinty red/green dot sight & mount weighs approximately 6 lbs.

My heavily modded Winchester 1977XS w/ its Barska 4X32mmAO weighs approximately 4.5 lbs ... maybe a tad lighter.

My heavily modded Crosman .22 Backpacker w/ its Tasco 2-7X32mmAO & sling weighs maybe 4 pounds. My heavily modded Crosman .177 1389 Backpacker w/ its Tasco 3-7X20mm weighs 3 lbs.

When its 100F outside? I'm gonna use that .177 1389 Backpacker and just get closer to my game before shooting it.
 
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My main gripe w/ springers is they're too heavy. Heavy rifles are fine for BR and for folks like Crow who look out their window and see a target of opportunity .... but, for carrying around the woods? On a hot summer day? No thank you.

My modded .22 Crosman NP2 Summit Ranger w/ its Tasco 2-10X42mmAO, 1 piece scope mount, sling and LDC weighs approximately 8.5 lbs.

My modded Crosman .177 Optimus w/ its Hatsan 3-9X40mmAO & 1 piece scope mount, weighs approximately 8 lbs.

And those two rifles are kinda light compared to other springers.

OTOH, my Benji 392 w/ its Pinty red/green dot sight & mount weighs approximately 6 lbs.

My heavily modded Winchester 1977XS w/ its Barska 4X32mmAO weighs approximately 4.5 lbs ... maybe a tad lighter.

My heavily modded Crosman .22 Backpacker w/ its Tasco 2-7X32mmAO & sling weighs maybe 4 pounds as does my modded Winchester 1977. My heavily modded Crosman .177 1389 Backpacker w/ its Tasco 3-7X20mm weighs 3 lbs.

When its 100F outside? I'm gonna use that .177 1389 Backpacker and just get closer to my game before shooting it.
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True. I usually sit in my blind making weight a non-issue. I'll have to concede that as my 4th concession. 


 
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Sounds like temp. is huge factor. I rarely see 100F. I’ve been in the desert in summer (Sahara) got an idea what your talking about.

I also go further North, buddy has an awesome run. Again 25 - 40 yd. shots. I’ll carry a R9 or my 98 (favourite). Maybe hour walk, easy in woods shaded. Tree rats.
Deer Flies nightmare here. They have No legs, they land with their teeth! Crow 
 
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Sounds like temp. is huge factor. I rarely see 100F. I’ve been in the desert in summer (Sahara) got an idea what your talking about.

I also go further North, buddy has an awesome run. Again 25 - 40 yd. shots. I’ll carry a R9 or my 98 (favourite). Maybe hour walk, easy in woods shaded. Tree rats.
Deer Flies nightmare here. They have No legs, they land with their teeth! Crow
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I can relate. Back in the summer of 1997, I was enrolled in this geology field trip class for grad school credit We went to Big Bend National Park ( @ The Basin), on to Big Bend State Park and finished up at Carlsbad Caverns and a W.I.P.P. site in N.M..

'Average' temp was 115F (in the shade) ... but, its a 'dry' heat. LOL

One thing we did at the state park was to go on a 15 mile 'death march' through the desert. A friend and I were the only ones in the class w/ military training, i.e. map reading/compass navigation etc., and the 2 of us were the only ones in that class to get lost in the desert that day.
 
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