Do you want to own a semi and full-automatic pcp air gun?
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No, those do not appeal to me. Have plenty of semi-automatic powder burners and ammo for them. The real appeal of air gunning for me is the one shot. one kill aspect. A rifle that will hit a target dead on accurate at ranges out to 100 meters and the challenge of windage, drop, temperature etc that go into each calculated shot is what I enjoy.
Semi auto's are nice for those who feel the need to "super plink". To me the added mechanical and or electrical components needed for semi and full automatic operation just add other things that can break or malfunction.
All above is just IMHO. To each their own.
Semi auto's are nice for those who feel the need to "super plink". To me the added mechanical and or electrical components needed for semi and full automatic operation just add other things that can break or malfunction.
All above is just IMHO. To each their own.
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There are a few option today on semi, check the Huben, but @CharlieF took my thought exactly! 100% agree with his post, I do not see the point for hunting (my main use, well varmint control truly) and semi auto or auto.
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I've had the FX Monsoon and the FX Revolution
they can be fun but I went through so many pellets shooting them it was ridiculous...
they both shot 3/8 groups at 50 yards but I sold them because ( my lack of self control ) I was just burning money spraying a mag full of pellets down range faster than I could load them.
they can be fun but I went through so many pellets shooting them it was ridiculous...
they both shot 3/8 groups at 50 yards but I sold them because ( my lack of self control ) I was just burning money spraying a mag full of pellets down range faster than I could load them.
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I was at one time into semi autos, but now I just see it as something more that can go wrong. A forward cocking handle on the weak hand of the shooter can be 75% of a semi auto but has much better reliability. Plus, the safety factor comes into play. A semi auto can NOT be de-cocked and walking through the woods with single safety that can be bumped and switch off does NOT justify the faster semi-auto follow up shots, in my opinion.
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I support all those who follow the principle "One shot -- one kill", but... As manufacturer I am just interested in making semi or full auto, not because I need it but I consiider it just as engeneer chalange! 
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Being handicap I would love a rifle such as the Hammerli 850 that is both bulk fill co2 9 oz tank and semi-auto. Having to pull the bolt back after each shot is difficult and a time eater. Notice I named a sub-$300 rifle. I didn't say I wanted to pay extra for it
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Semi auto would be good fun to me. Natural almost since every PB gun I own is.
But, davadsng comment about how "A forward cocking handle on the weak hand of the shooter can be 75% of a semi auto but has much better reliability." is a good point.
75% is a bit faster than I can make my Colibri cycle, but his point is sound.
I believe the air gun manufactures would sell far more guns with an extremely short, very easy and fast to cock action like the Colibri, than the actual semi/full autos.
I might be wrong.....because I'd buy a Kalibrgun semi auto if they ever make one.
But, davadsng comment about how "A forward cocking handle on the weak hand of the shooter can be 75% of a semi auto but has much better reliability." is a good point.
75% is a bit faster than I can make my Colibri cycle, but his point is sound.
I believe the air gun manufactures would sell far more guns with an extremely short, very easy and fast to cock action like the Colibri, than the actual semi/full autos.
I might be wrong.....because I'd buy a Kalibrgun semi auto if they ever make one.
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Premium pellets are not cheap. A high end pcp airgun is an expensive precision instrument, not a garden hose!
A full auto is for carnival BB guns, not precision instruments and pellets measured to the thousandth of an inch in diameter. Besides, I shot one...and it's fun the first couple of times, after that it's just a waste of ammunition, be they bb's, pellets, or bullets.
A full auto is for carnival BB guns, not precision instruments and pellets measured to the thousandth of an inch in diameter. Besides, I shot one...and it's fun the first couple of times, after that it's just a waste of ammunition, be they bb's, pellets, or bullets.
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Regarding hunting, this is one of the answers, Maybe people won't like it but this is what Ted did with semi-automatic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SudalUNcWtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SudalUNcWtg
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Nowadays, with a well placed butter smooth side-lever on the rifles, they almost have a feel of being semi-auto. If you are a left-handed shooter with a right handed side-lever, that is even more true.
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Personally, yes, I would like to own one for the reason of having one in my arsenal of PCP guns. I know for sure, as mentioned, that after about two full tins the novelty will wear off. I, too, am pellet usage conscious due to cost. I see most folks ordering semi auto guns in 22 cal probably for that reason, that 22 cal pellets are cheaper. But, I know myself, it would have to be 25 at minimum, and I have considered a 30 for sure for a semi auto.
The mind set I feel I would have by getting one in a 30 is, at $15-$18/tin for 150, I would use that gun for the sole purpose of hunting and being able to get quick follow up shots. No way I’m gonna be using it to turn oranges and pumpkins into Swiss cheese. Too expensive to be doing that. So, if you get what I’m putting down here, buying a semi auto that consumes high dollar pellets will or should, not be too expensive to shoot cause the cost of the pellets sort of “police” you from going crazy.
The two things that are keeping me from investing in one right now, is budget for one, but mainly accuracy reviews. I don’t see too many folks showing off targets measured with calipers like we all do with single shot pcp’s. It’s as if no one wants to elaborate on the group sizes. One person finally spoke up, wrote an entire tread about how his accuracy sucked, and that is even after having the gun replaced for another one. So, the burning itch inside of me to invest in one has come and gone.
The mind set I feel I would have by getting one in a 30 is, at $15-$18/tin for 150, I would use that gun for the sole purpose of hunting and being able to get quick follow up shots. No way I’m gonna be using it to turn oranges and pumpkins into Swiss cheese. Too expensive to be doing that. So, if you get what I’m putting down here, buying a semi auto that consumes high dollar pellets will or should, not be too expensive to shoot cause the cost of the pellets sort of “police” you from going crazy.
The two things that are keeping me from investing in one right now, is budget for one, but mainly accuracy reviews. I don’t see too many folks showing off targets measured with calipers like we all do with single shot pcp’s. It’s as if no one wants to elaborate on the group sizes. One person finally spoke up, wrote an entire tread about how his accuracy sucked, and that is even after having the gun replaced for another one. So, the burning itch inside of me to invest in one has come and gone.
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I support all those who follow the principle "One shot -- one kill", but... As manufacturer I am just interested in making semi or full auto, not because I need it but I consiider it just as engeneer chalange!
@EDgun, I commend you for having a visible presence here and contributing the way you have. While I don't own one of your guns, I certainly appreciate all that I have read about them. Regarding the (semi)auto discussion, I still think the airgun market is waiting for the "Ruger 10/22" of airguns to really help the industry find traction in the greater outdoors community. By this 10/22 reference I mean a pellet rifle that's inexpensive, reasonably accurate & reliable, and also modular enough to be upgraded where appropriate. And for mass-marketing purposes, being semiautomatic would definitely be a benefit.
I think what I'm describing is more in Crosman's realm than Edgun's realm but after forgettable rifles like the Crosman Wildfire and Fortitude I even question that. Perhaps the closest to this that we will see is the Umarex Gauntlet... yes, I hope I'm wrong about this. Anyway, like a lot of people I do own a cheap semi-auto .22 (Savage) that I do break out once-and-a-while.
My gut tells me that a semi-auto pellet gun will be relegated to this same cheap pinking market. It'll be interesting to look at what happens with the Kral and Evanix semi-auto models in the next year or two...
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Good point, everyone, I see that almost everybody is rejecting the semi but how many people has discarded a Taipan or a Cricked because the position of the cocking lever? And what's the reason? Well imagine no cocking lever at all! The same reasoning applied to that argument can be applied to a semi vs a cocking lever.
Having a gun that allows you to press the trigger as fast as you can doesn't mean you should do it all the time. With a semi I can still do the same One Shot Kill I can do with the cocking lever rifle, but I can do more.
My only concern with a semi at the moment is reliability, I don't want to have issues with magazines indexing and problems with the gun down the road, but if we could have EdGun quality I'm all in.
The other day I was watching a video where pigeons were coming out of a building, one after the other and the guy was trying to get as many as possible, for that scenario the semi would have worked perfect. So my point is, with a semi I can do everything I can do with the manual cocking but not the other way.
I'm glad I see Ed liking the idea, it will be sweet to have a Matador in semi auto. At least I'll be super happy.
but how many people has discarded a Taipan or a Cricked because the position of the cocking lever? And what's the reason? Well imagine no cocking lever at all! The same reasoning applied to that argument can be applied to a semi vs a cocking lever.Having a gun that allows you to press the trigger as fast as you can doesn't mean you should do it all the time. With a semi I can still do the same One Shot Kill I can do with the cocking lever rifle, but I can do more.
My only concern with a semi at the moment is reliability, I don't want to have issues with magazines indexing and problems with the gun down the road, but if we could have EdGun quality I'm all in.
The other day I was watching a video where pigeons were coming out of a building, one after the other and the guy was trying to get as many as possible, for that scenario the semi would have worked perfect. So my point is, with a semi I can do everything I can do with the manual cocking but not the other way.
I'm glad I see Ed liking the idea, it will be sweet to have a Matador in semi auto. At least I'll be super happy.
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Good point, everyone, I see that almost everybody is rejecting the semi
Having a gun that allows you to press the trigger as fast as you can doesn't mean you should do it all the time. With a semi I can still do the same One Shot Kill I can do with the cocking lever rifle, but I can do more.
My only concern with a semi at the moment is reliability, I don't want to have issues with magazines indexing and problems with the gun down the road, but if we could have EdGun quality I'm all in.
The other day I was watching a video where pigeons were coming out of a building, one after the other and the guy was trying to get as many as possible, for that scenario the semi would have worked perfect. So my point is, with a semi I can do everything I can do with the manual cocking but not the other way.
I'm glad I see Ed liking the idea, it will be sweet to have a Matador in semi auto. At least I'll be super happy.
Good talk, buddy!
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I support all those who follow the principle "One shot -- one kill", but... As manufacturer I am just interested in making semi or full auto, not because I need it but I consiider it just as engeneer chalange!
Have you ever intended to create a semi-automatic pcp yet ?
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