Do we need a Budget Shooter Section?

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Hey guys, as a newbie and not knowing anything about brands, when I read a post or watch a video and say that looks like a decent gun , I have to go look it up only to find out it's a 2 or 3 thousand gun , which most new guys have no interest in just as guys running 5 thousand dollar set up are not interested 2 hundred dollar rigs and most guys just getting into this ask and post alot on lower dollar rigs which I can see could annoy alot of the high end guys , so I could see where it could be a good thing knowing anything posted would be 500 or so below and when guys are ready to swim in the deep end it's there too.

And would like to add that I read most all sections just to see what people are into or working on and I don't even own a pcp yet
 
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I’m not sure we need a budget section but maybe a FX section and a Brocock section. If the threads on just those 2 manufacturers were moved out of the PCP section the PCP section would be more open to other brands. The FX owners would have a very active section while not intimidating other gun owners.
I have read innuendos that there are company shills promoting certain brands but I don’t believe that is true. If I could afford or want a high end airgun I would post about it and my experiences often. I do think that if members save and spend for a high end air rifle they expect perfection and if they don’t get it they are on the forums asking for help. More so than if they had spent $150 on a gun and just chalked up problems to be expected.
 
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Likely won't make any friends here but part of the reason you don't see those budget guns or more mention of them is pretty simple actually:

New or newish guy comes in asking about $200 or less rifle for whatever reason he/she has and an easy half of the replies are always something along the lines of 
"Save up a few more dollars and buy an HW or Diana" or "Why do you want to waste your money on that less expensive junk" or "You're gonna have to do a lot of
work to make that shoot well". Wait, isn't that exactly what you're doing with your higher end rifles installing kits or sending them out to have it done...lol.
Every gun out there from low end to high end can use a little TLC to make it shoot better. I get love and appreciation of the brands, I own 6 of them myself:
an HW, 3 Beeman rifles and 2 Diana's, one of those a Custom Built by Diana D34K .20. I also happen to own any number of those less expensive guns too. 
It's also not just on AGN since I see the same basic thing on most of the forums I belong to.

To give a random lame opinion to the OP? No, don't honestly think AGN needs a Budget Shooter section, just more shooters to speak up about those less
rifles when someone actually asks about one.
 
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I agree with @SteveP-52, the guys with the so called budget guns just need to simply post up. My first PCP a Gamo Urban at $300 USD gave up nothing in practical pesting accuracy to any of my more expensive Brococks. I made many, to me, amazing kills and shots with that Urban. It all about what you can afford and are really going to use that airgun for. After shooting a sub 20 FPE PCP for a few weeks now, I see where in my case I can get by with much less power for my pesting than the marketeers would have me believe.
 
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It seems to me the question is what is your shooting goal? I see three categories of players here. 

One, The plinkers and traditionalist. Mostly just for relaxing I think. Don't take it too serious. Maybe just test the skills a little bit.

Two, Hunters and pesters. Serious about their equipment for the task at hand, but spending only what's necessary. Likes the outdoors and quiet time waiting for their quarry to appear.

Three, Two sub categories,

A, competition shooter, not wanting to break the bank, but willing to spend some real cash for the best stuff. Does their own work, cause $200 an hr at the gun shop is just not in the cards, and enjoys seeing improvement from their work at the range. Realistic about their capability, but REALLY likes outshooting some of the money guys once in a while. (Me)

B, Full blown, gotta have it, Formula one quality stuff. Showing up to kick butt, and bringing the best of the best to eliminate as many variables as possible. Thousands invested trying to beat the factory / store guys. Precision is all important !!

Whatever your niche, good luck and enjoy. 
 
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Hey guys, as a newbie and not knowing anything about brands, when I read a post or watch a video and say that looks like a decent gun , I have to go look it up only to find out it's a 2 or 3 thousand gun , which most new guys have no interest in just as guys running 5 thousand dollar set up are not interested 2 hundred dollar rigs and most guys just getting into this ask and post alot on lower dollar rigs which I can see could annoy alot of the high end guys , so I could see where it could be a good thing knowing anything posted would be 500 or so below and when guys are ready to swim in the deep end it's there too.

And would like to add that I read most all sections just to see what people are into or working on and I don't even own a pcp yet
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JJ might be making a point we can agree on.



Patrick
 
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I'm afraid that many of ya'll have made my point for me.

The main reason why us budget guys never post is that our budget restrictions are generly ignored or we get told to double it. As proof, i submit that when i declared a budget rifle to be $250, of which there are plenty, it is ignored and the new limit is declared to be $500, double what I suggested. Basically, we get talked down to and told we'll never get as good as the $1000 guys and no actual advice. So what's the point of posting if we get ignored or our threads get hijacked and turned into a "hey, look at my $2000, custom ordered, specially tuned by X air rifle". 

The best way to describe it is driving a Ford Mustang Foxbody through a Ferrari convention. I know what happened when Ferrari and Ford went hesd to head on Ferrari's home turf, but that doesn't make it pleasant when everone is ignoring you or worse, looking down on you for different spending choices.

Thats my perspective and my reality. 

I also realize that a separate budget section was never gonna happen, if only for the reason it is impractical. However, if you qant us thrifty soenders to post more, then maybe you should check yourselves before commenting.

"Wil my comment actually be on subject and respect the OP limitations?"

"Will my comment actually benifit the OP, or am i just showing off?"

"Am I considering what the OP is asking or saying, or am I just being lazy and trying to make myself feel omportant when I comment?"
 
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I’m in for a ‘budget gun’ section. No need to set a price limit. 
We’ve all seen a thread where someone asks a good recommendation for xxx dollars and all they get are recommendations to ‘work harder, save up’. That’s not an option for everyone. And there’s guys like me with about a dozen ‘budget’ air rifles and pistols. The most I’ve paid is $165 last year for a new Hatsan 95. 
I’d always considered the Traditional forum to be the older vintage stuff, or new models based off old designs. Wood and steel. But there’s also lots of new budget models I would not consider ‘traditional’.
 
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I did a topic on a Kral and at first I didn’t go into much detail because on the surface, I didn’t think the interest was going to very high on this forum. It wound up receiving way more views than any high end gun topic I ever created. I see guys linking it on other forums. What I’ve noticed is a good many of the high end crowd is a fleeting bunch. Jumping from one thing to another as fast as their wallet and manufacturers will allow. Very few good informative high end gun topics gain a lot of traction because there are so many of them and guys are quickly moving on to the next latest greatest. My advice is just post something you think is interesting and will help people and let nature take its course. It may die this month but could be viewed a ton in the future to help people who google it. 
 
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I'm afraid that many of ya'll have made my point for me.

The main reason why us budget guys never post is that our budget restrictions are generly ignored or we get told to double it. As proof, i submit that when i declared a budget rifle to be $250, of which there are plenty, it is ignored and the new limit is declared to be $500, double what I suggested. Basically, we get talked down to and told we'll never get as good as the $1000 guys and no actual advice. So what's the point of posting if we get ignored or our threads get hijacked and turned into a "hey, look at my $2000, custom ordered, specially tuned by X air rifle". 

The best way to describe it is driving a Ford Mustang Foxbody through a Ferrari convention. I know what happened when Ferrari and Ford went hesd to head on Ferrari's home turf, but that doesn't make it pleasant when everone is ignoring you or worse, looking down on you for different spending choices.

Thats my perspective and my reality. 

I also realize that a separate budget section was never gonna happen, if only for the reason it is impractical. However, if you qant us thrifty soenders to post more, then maybe you should check yourselves before commenting.

"Wil my comment actually be on subject and respect the OP limitations?"

"Will my comment actually benifit the OP, or am i just showing off?"

"Am I considering what the OP is asking or saying, or am I just being lazy and trying to make myself feel omportant when I comment?"
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+1 nailed it
 
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For Sure that is a Big Problem,and it sucks!=is a person asking a question about a lower price air rifle or scope and someone becomes smarty pants and tells them to spend Not $500 more,a $1000 more....totally useless comment that causes more harm than good.....

If you can not really help the person, and want to just voice your opinion why not start another thread?

It is not how much you spend,it is the fun you have with what you bought.....

Stop it,if a person wants a specific question answered,do your best to answer that question in the contents it was asked,,,,Do you hear me,Jesse! Yes I do and I will try to do better.

Heck I have fun with a BB gun.


 
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I agree with the sentiments of the previous posters about courtesy and relevance, well said and spot on. 




example (if you want to read a random gripe):
I got a talon p (felt very expensive to me at the time) and posted a thread looking for fellow enthusiasts. This was at GTA which has the same problem maybe worse. First response, after a few days of nothing, is a well known power user dropping in to say he “got one and hated it and sold it to buy something better the next day”. literally my introduction to the world of airgun forums was some snob taking time out of their day to poop on my thread.


On a more positive note, kudos to all of the members who chose to provide friendly helpful commentary.



While I see people here also dropping in to say things like “your guns are all Chinese pieces of poop why do you shoot them?” I have also found some very humble, helpful people here and this forum has been more helpful to me than I expected and have also encountered some amazing generosity here. 


The question is, do you call out people who are being rude like this in the threads themselves? Just ignore them? On at least one occasion I have posted to hassle someone who I felt was being a jerk, but in the end I ended up feeling like a jerk for maybe over reacting and fouling the thread with the resulting chatter.

as a career teacher I am used to correcting bad behavior in grades 6-12 but it always feels weird/wrong when I try to do the same with adults who should know better





 
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Very tricky,

Then what, you gonna have a section for sub 500 bucks ?......and then one for sub Grand ?

People that are interested in the subject will follow and post on the thread, if others go on a tangent just ignore.



And btw, I've seen plenty in the past of people asking suggestion for,.....example a sub 200 bucks gun, then members posted about different more expensive options exposing the OP to rifles he didn't know, often the OP after some research got to buy a gun way over his original budget.



so in the end, I think it would be a bad idea.
 
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Ok I'm confused, are we on 200 dollar guns, creating a sub section, gun snobs,bad advice etc, the truth of the matter is when you ask your gonna get answers , some replies your gonna like others not so much, does that mean it was bad advice,not really, save more money, double your budget etc could be good advice if your wanting a 12 fpe gun to hit pop cans and take a deers head off at 1000 yards.

The been there done that guys are a big help if someone's goals override reality, the more specific a question is the more specific the answers , no matter what anyone says good or bad In the end I do my own research and pick what fits into what I want, as far as flavor of the month club goes I have read back thru old posts to the point of some guns have been discontinued, it seems like the market is exploding, quality is improving, they all still have problems and prices are going up, do I think some are worth 5 grand for me no , to others sure, fact is it's a business their here to sell , we're here to buy and they all want your same dollar and target the market where the most profits are to be made.

Not directed to anyone just observations and random thoughts
 
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Yeah, the I need a gun and here’s my budget topics almost always go sideways. Sadly, that’s what makes them so fun to read. From the time it pops up on the forum the countdown clock is ticking for the first reading comprehension impaired person to reply and up the guys budget. I still say just post what you want. We’re all grown men and shouldn’t need someone to validate the importance of what we wrote with smiley faces, thumbs ups, likes or views. What does suck is when it’s a topic that you hope to get some help or feedback and there’s nothing but crickets. And not the $1,900 Crickets from Georgia Airguns. The lonely crickets.
 
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I did a topic on a Kral and at first I didn’t go into much detail because on the surface, I didn’t think the interest was going to very high on this forum. It wound up receiving way more views than any high end gun topic I ever created. I see guys linking it on other forums. What I’ve noticed is a good many of the high end crowd is a fleeting bunch. Jumping from one thing to another as fast as their wallet and manufacturers will allow. Very few good informative high end gun topics gain a lot of traction because there are so many of them and guys are quickly moving on to the next latest greatest. My advice is just post something you think is interesting and will help people and let nature take its course. It may die this month but could be viewed a ton in the future to help people who google it.
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That was a great thread!!! You can’t count that one! 😁👍😜🤙😂 I totally posted it on GTA. You and that thread helped a couple guys I know of for sure, get headed in a good direction. Me included.
 
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