N/A Demand fair treatment!
- Thread starter Kilmouski
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You keep using the word "sellers". I am trying to understand if you think the retail "sellers" (dealers) should provide this information or if you think the "manufacturer" of the air gun should provide that information. 
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Dealers? Sellers? I am perhaps not the perfect person, in this regard. What I would say is that people making, and selling, airguns, are forcing their wares on you. They want you to buy it. Then, they go away...They provide nothing with regard to repair, etc. Why should we buy this crap! Honestly, if you do not understand what I am saying- you are choosing not to....You keep using the word "sellers". I am trying to understand if you think the retail "sellers" (dealers) should provide this information or if you think the "manufacturer" of the air gun should provide that information.
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I have had many PCPs for many years. I have change O'rings on many of them.
I have never known the size of any O'rings I have changed.
What I have always done is to take the original one I want to replace, bring it with me to the O'rings store and ask for 20 equal to the original one in order to have in stock for the next time.
I have never had a PCP out of work because not having found an O'rings. Never !!!
Once I got broken the spring of the hammer of my Bantam Sniper. I took the broken spring, brought it to the spring maker closer to my house, ask them to make me two of equal to the original one and (for peanuts) I had the new springs the following day. And the replacement is still working perfectly. I have one as spare just in case.
I have had the need of original pieces from the manufacturer (Airgun Technology in Prague, Czech Republic), for my Vulcan 2 .25 Cal and for my Uragan in .22 Cal. A barrel for the Uragan and a complete filling port for the Vulcan 2. I wrote by WhatsApp to them and they have sent me the spare parts.
Not so difficult at all.
I had to send an FX Bobcat to the waste basket because it had frequent leaks and it was very difficult to repair. But that was a problem of design of the rifle, not of availability of O'rings.
I have never known the size of any O'rings I have changed.
What I have always done is to take the original one I want to replace, bring it with me to the O'rings store and ask for 20 equal to the original one in order to have in stock for the next time.
I have never had a PCP out of work because not having found an O'rings. Never !!!
Once I got broken the spring of the hammer of my Bantam Sniper. I took the broken spring, brought it to the spring maker closer to my house, ask them to make me two of equal to the original one and (for peanuts) I had the new springs the following day. And the replacement is still working perfectly. I have one as spare just in case.
I have had the need of original pieces from the manufacturer (Airgun Technology in Prague, Czech Republic), for my Vulcan 2 .25 Cal and for my Uragan in .22 Cal. A barrel for the Uragan and a complete filling port for the Vulcan 2. I wrote by WhatsApp to them and they have sent me the spare parts.
Not so difficult at all.
I had to send an FX Bobcat to the waste basket because it had frequent leaks and it was very difficult to repair. But that was a problem of design of the rifle, not of availability of O'rings.
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FX is geared towards user repair and upgrades; they provide all the information and support necessary to do so.
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I'd like online availability of all parts to my rifles. The same way I can look up parts for my vehicles.
The manufacturers of the guns already have a parts list because obviously someone needs to design them and create a "how to" for the assembly line personnel. Why can't that information be digitized and available on their website in pdf.
The manufacturers of the guns already have a parts list because obviously someone needs to design them and create a "how to" for the assembly line personnel. Why can't that information be digitized and available on their website in pdf.
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Or how about a compromise. Sellers provide digital calipers with the guns they sell so the new owner can learn how to measure his orings like grownups do.
The sky is falling because of o-rings ... never saw that coming
I had no idea all the thousands of dollars I have spent on air guns was done under duress. All this time I just thought they wanted me to choose their gun.
Somehow I feel violated.
Somehow I feel violated.
Yeah, no not so much !
Actually, if you dig deep enough, most...DEALERS...do have schematics of their guns available.
So...there you have it ! Just head to the "correct" place and you should be happy, going to the "correct" people for your answers.
Mike
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Yeah I’m with Emu and the rest who feel that measuring the old o ring gets you what you need.
There are FX haters, and to those I have to say, FX is so service oriented like no other manufacturer. Sure, other makers of PCP’s offer drawings also, but fx provides drawings for days along with part numbers, o ring sizes/types along with fastener sizes.
What I do wish, for the manufacturers that don’t go above and beyond like FX does, is at least follow what Hatsan and LCS does and provide an o ring kit in the box for each gun they produce/sell.
Since we’re on this topic, what other pcp manufacturers provide an o ring kit with each gun? I only know of Hatsan and LCS as that’s what I own. Does Edgun, Daystate, Steyr, etc provide seals? Let’s name them if you know of other makers that provide a kit with each gun
There are FX haters, and to those I have to say, FX is so service oriented like no other manufacturer. Sure, other makers of PCP’s offer drawings also, but fx provides drawings for days along with part numbers, o ring sizes/types along with fastener sizes.
What I do wish, for the manufacturers that don’t go above and beyond like FX does, is at least follow what Hatsan and LCS does and provide an o ring kit in the box for each gun they produce/sell.
Since we’re on this topic, what other pcp manufacturers provide an o ring kit with each gun? I only know of Hatsan and LCS as that’s what I own. Does Edgun, Daystate, Steyr, etc provide seals? Let’s name them if you know of other makers that provide a kit with each gun
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I’m with you OP. It wouldn’t be too much trouble to list all o rings and sizes for a gun so the end user wouldn’t have to measure. I mean hell offer complete rebuild kits with 2 dollars worth of rings for 25 bucks. I’m buying every time because I want to shoot not dick around trying to source and size orings. However, this thread shows you why they don’t because most people accept it.
I suppose you should boycott Kentucky Fried Chicken too while your on a rampage since the General refuses to detail the 11 secret spices used in his recipe! 
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This is the right solution for me.
They probably won’t do it though because then people will call in asking for support rebuilding their airgun and most of their questions will not be reasonable. The manufacturer cannot afford to deal with all of that for the price of an O-Ring kit.
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You start the boycott. Let’s us know how it goes for you.
I don’t not have exotics, and sure have had no problem finding the information i need.
I don’t not have exotics, and sure have had no problem finding the information i need.
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If I were producing airguns, I would supply at least 1 replacement o-ring for each size, as well as an exploded diagram that comes with the user manual detailing every part, including o-ring sizes metrically and imperially because the world is just that way...
Question? Would you buy a car that did not have a repair manual?
I do think it’s kinda odd (and illogical) that Daystate includes a schematic of their guns in the owners manual, and it depicts all the parts and orings. But they don’t list oring sizes. Pretty sh!tty in this day and age if you ask me. 
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No one mentioned specifically the material the o-ring is made of. As we all know, this is an oft overlooked aspect, which can lead to frustration when a new o-ring won't "o-ring"!
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