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It depends!
What bullet you use dictates said bullets Ballistic Coefficient.
What are your requirements regarding kill zone?
The .72 is defenetly out for you as bullets that large has a BC like a grand piano with the lid up!
The .58 can get decent bullets, in the 600-700grain range. A WAG would be in the.27-.30 range.
Lets say .30 and 970fps for a 700grain bullet.
Given a 8" kill zone you have a point blank range of 84yards sighted zero at 70 yards.
Yards, Vel, Energy, TOF, Drop, drift, OGW
0 970 1463 0,000 -1,5 0,000 671
10 965 1448 0,031 -0,15 0,000 660
20 960 1433 0,062 0,83 0,000 650
30 955 1418 0,093 1,43 0,000 640
40 950 1403 0,124 1,65 0,000 630
50 946 1391 0,156 1,49 0,000 622
60 941 1377 0,188 0,94 0,000 612
70 936 1362 0,22 0,00 0,000 603
80 932 1350 0,252 -1,34 0,000 595
90 927 1336 0,284 -3,08 0,000 585
100 923 1325 0,317 -5,22 0,000 578
110 918 1310 0,349 -7,77 0,000 569
120 914 1299 0,382 -10,73 0,000 561
130 909 1285 0,415 -14,10 0,000 552
140 905 1273 0,448 -17,90 0,000 545
150 900 1259 0,481 -22,12 0,000 536
160 896 1248 0,514 -26,77 0,000 529
170 891 1234 0,548 -31,85 0,000 520
180 887 1223 0,582 -37,36 0,000 513
190 882 1209 0,616 -43,32 0,000 504
200 878 1199 0,65 -49,72 0,000 497
210 874 1188 0,684 -56,58 0,000 491
220 869 1174 0,718 -63,88 0,000 482
230 865 1163 0,753 -71,65 0,000 476
240 861 1153 0,788 -79,88 0,000 469
250 857 1142 0,823 -88,58 0,000 463
260 852 1129 0,858 -97,75 0,000 455
270 848 1118 0,893 -107,40 0,000 448
280 844 1107 0,928 -117,53 0,000 442
290 840 1097 0,964 -128,15 0,000 436
300 836 1087 1 -139,26 0,000 429
310 832 1076 1,036 -150,87 0,000 423
320 827 1063 1,072 -162,97 0,000 416
330 823 1053 1,108 -175,59 0,000 410
340 819 1043 1,145 -188,72 0,000 404
350 815 1033 1,181 -202,36 0,000 398
360 811 1023 1,218 -216,53 0,000 392
370 807 1013 1,255 -231,22 0,000 386
380 803 1003 1,293 -246,44 0,000 381
390 799 0993 1,33 -262,21 0,000 375
400 795 0983 1,368 -278,51 0,000 369
410 791 0973 1,405 -295,37 0,000 364
420 787 0963 1,443 -312,78 0,000 358
430 784 0956 1,481 -330,74 0,000 354
440 780 0946 1,52 -349,28 0,000 349
450 776 0936 1,558 -368,38 0,000 343
460 772 0927 1,597 -388,06 0,000 338
470 768 0917 1,636 -408,32 0,000 333
480 764 0907 1,675 -429,17 0,000 328
490 761 0900 1,715 -450,61 0,000 324
500 757 0891 1,754 -472,66 0,000 319
TOF = Time Of Flight
OGW = Optimal Game Weight
Trajectory like a rainbow with these big slow bullets, no way around it.
Now you're confused at a much higher level ;-)
What bullet you use dictates said bullets Ballistic Coefficient.
What are your requirements regarding kill zone?
The .72 is defenetly out for you as bullets that large has a BC like a grand piano with the lid up!
The .58 can get decent bullets, in the 600-700grain range. A WAG would be in the.27-.30 range.
Lets say .30 and 970fps for a 700grain bullet.
Given a 8" kill zone you have a point blank range of 84yards sighted zero at 70 yards.
Yards, Vel, Energy, TOF, Drop, drift, OGW
0 970 1463 0,000 -1,5 0,000 671
10 965 1448 0,031 -0,15 0,000 660
20 960 1433 0,062 0,83 0,000 650
30 955 1418 0,093 1,43 0,000 640
40 950 1403 0,124 1,65 0,000 630
50 946 1391 0,156 1,49 0,000 622
60 941 1377 0,188 0,94 0,000 612
70 936 1362 0,22 0,00 0,000 603
80 932 1350 0,252 -1,34 0,000 595
90 927 1336 0,284 -3,08 0,000 585
100 923 1325 0,317 -5,22 0,000 578
110 918 1310 0,349 -7,77 0,000 569
120 914 1299 0,382 -10,73 0,000 561
130 909 1285 0,415 -14,10 0,000 552
140 905 1273 0,448 -17,90 0,000 545
150 900 1259 0,481 -22,12 0,000 536
160 896 1248 0,514 -26,77 0,000 529
170 891 1234 0,548 -31,85 0,000 520
180 887 1223 0,582 -37,36 0,000 513
190 882 1209 0,616 -43,32 0,000 504
200 878 1199 0,65 -49,72 0,000 497
210 874 1188 0,684 -56,58 0,000 491
220 869 1174 0,718 -63,88 0,000 482
230 865 1163 0,753 -71,65 0,000 476
240 861 1153 0,788 -79,88 0,000 469
250 857 1142 0,823 -88,58 0,000 463
260 852 1129 0,858 -97,75 0,000 455
270 848 1118 0,893 -107,40 0,000 448
280 844 1107 0,928 -117,53 0,000 442
290 840 1097 0,964 -128,15 0,000 436
300 836 1087 1 -139,26 0,000 429
310 832 1076 1,036 -150,87 0,000 423
320 827 1063 1,072 -162,97 0,000 416
330 823 1053 1,108 -175,59 0,000 410
340 819 1043 1,145 -188,72 0,000 404
350 815 1033 1,181 -202,36 0,000 398
360 811 1023 1,218 -216,53 0,000 392
370 807 1013 1,255 -231,22 0,000 386
380 803 1003 1,293 -246,44 0,000 381
390 799 0993 1,33 -262,21 0,000 375
400 795 0983 1,368 -278,51 0,000 369
410 791 0973 1,405 -295,37 0,000 364
420 787 0963 1,443 -312,78 0,000 358
430 784 0956 1,481 -330,74 0,000 354
440 780 0946 1,52 -349,28 0,000 349
450 776 0936 1,558 -368,38 0,000 343
460 772 0927 1,597 -388,06 0,000 338
470 768 0917 1,636 -408,32 0,000 333
480 764 0907 1,675 -429,17 0,000 328
490 761 0900 1,715 -450,61 0,000 324
500 757 0891 1,754 -472,66 0,000 319
TOF = Time Of Flight
OGW = Optimal Game Weight
Trajectory like a rainbow with these big slow bullets, no way around it.
Now you're confused at a much higher level ;-)
Max range on a Zeus is 100 yards. It would be inhumane to shoot at anything farther than that because you would likely miss the kill zone.
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Yes, Zero grouping ability past 100 yards. 12 inch groups at 150 yards. Air can't propel a projectile that heavy for very far. If you want to hunt at 400 yards use a firearm.
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You might know this already but...
The precision a gun has is a top priority. Not considering ES at all, or flyers, a gun mostly capable of consistent 2 moa 100Y becomes a bit over 4" at 200Y, and that moa cone of disppersion continues on out with distance.
Considering decent ES, like 10 fps, for example, this increases the size of the same moa cone even more.
Then there's the "slug thing" as far as flyers go. The cone increases more.
Wind vectors also affect vertical.
On top of that there's the POI shifts which happen while shooting which is common with pcp's.
The solution??? Is to select the size of target you will hit 75% of the time or whatever percentage you prefer.
A probable - poorly made gun, 4 MOA at 100Y, low BC slug, going slow, using a lot of air, ES of 30 fps(which is 3" more spread at 200Y, add in the rest I mentioned = getting ugly.
The precision a gun has is a top priority. Not considering ES at all, or flyers, a gun mostly capable of consistent 2 moa 100Y becomes a bit over 4" at 200Y, and that moa cone of disppersion continues on out with distance.
Considering decent ES, like 10 fps, for example, this increases the size of the same moa cone even more.
Then there's the "slug thing" as far as flyers go. The cone increases more.
Wind vectors also affect vertical.
On top of that there's the POI shifts which happen while shooting which is common with pcp's.
The solution??? Is to select the size of target you will hit 75% of the time or whatever percentage you prefer.
A probable - poorly made gun, 4 MOA at 100Y, low BC slug, going slow, using a lot of air, ES of 30 fps(which is 3" more spread at 200Y, add in the rest I mentioned = getting ugly.
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Max range for plinking/just having fun is a very long distance. Assuming it can fire a 300gr projectile at 700 fps at a BC of .15(probably a way to generous BC for that light of a 58 cal projectile), don't know if zeus has that much power, you can reach well over 1000 yards. For a zero at 1000 yards your projectile would be hitting 50 feet high at 100 yards for a 1000 yard shot. I have no idea if a zeus can generate that much power, about 325 ft-lbs for this example. Go play with an online ballistics calculator.
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The further you go with a slow lead flinger the woresr you are off!
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@ddeadheadd - I'm sure you are already aware that YT videos and shooting for accuracy should always be taken out of context. Just because one guy is pushing a very likely super highly customized one off gun to extreme distances like that you shouldn't expect an out of the box airgun to perform nearly half as well. The video maker may have taken 100 shots to get that one shot on video. Things like that are far end of the spectrum extreme.
I'm not saying it isn't possible. Just set your expectations realistically with an airgun. 100 Yards is a good doable range for most airguns. 200 yards is getting a bit far out. You'll find a handful of people who shoot out to 400 yards, but again, just a handful.
I've got the Zeus 72 16" barrel and I can say that is not an airgun I would use for accuracy. You'd definitely want the 32" to be able to control groups more. The 16" is freakin loud - and it kicks hard when you shoot it, along with a pretty heavy trigger. The combo just doesn't make for good groups. Do I think it would be fun for shooting 4, 6 and 8" gongs at 50 yards - definitely. Do I think it kicks more than a 12 gauge or a higher caliber rifle - definitely. It's also very front heavy which makes it fatiguing to shoot off hand. 20-30 rounds and I'm done for the day.
I'm not saying it isn't possible. Just set your expectations realistically with an airgun. 100 Yards is a good doable range for most airguns. 200 yards is getting a bit far out. You'll find a handful of people who shoot out to 400 yards, but again, just a handful.
I've got the Zeus 72 16" barrel and I can say that is not an airgun I would use for accuracy. You'd definitely want the 32" to be able to control groups more. The 16" is freakin loud - and it kicks hard when you shoot it, along with a pretty heavy trigger. The combo just doesn't make for good groups. Do I think it would be fun for shooting 4, 6 and 8" gongs at 50 yards - definitely. Do I think it kicks more than a 12 gauge or a higher caliber rifle - definitely. It's also very front heavy which makes it fatiguing to shoot off hand. 20-30 rounds and I'm done for the day.
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My .72 16" has been chrono'd shooting a 500gr slug at 700-750 fpe for the first shot. The 32" will net you much more. It's definitely got power.
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Hit a 4moa circle on the first shot over half the time. That's what I consider the realistic minimum for accuracy at a given distance.
350yds is about max for me.
1000yds? It just takes too long for the slug to get there, and so many external environmental factors will affect the flight along the way. Maybe in perfectly calm conditions? But there are still that changes in temperature, humidity, and barometric pressure. Unless you are shooting at least a 0.5 BC projectile, those other environmental conditions will get you. And good luck trying to launch a 0.5 BC projectile with an airgun at sufficient velocity.
That first shot is tough. If you can clearly see your misses and can adjust until you hit. Than yeah, you'll probably be able to hit a 40" target at 1000yds with an airgun - eventually. That does not make it a 1000yd gun.
350yds is about max for me.
1000yds? It just takes too long for the slug to get there, and so many external environmental factors will affect the flight along the way. Maybe in perfectly calm conditions? But there are still that changes in temperature, humidity, and barometric pressure. Unless you are shooting at least a 0.5 BC projectile, those other environmental conditions will get you. And good luck trying to launch a 0.5 BC projectile with an airgun at sufficient velocity.
That first shot is tough. If you can clearly see your misses and can adjust until you hit. Than yeah, you'll probably be able to hit a 40" target at 1000yds with an airgun - eventually. That does not make it a 1000yd gun.
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I would absolutely take deer or coyote with my Uragan .30 , it is making 90 fpe and MOA at 100 yards (and that is the max I would shoot at an animal with it or any of my airguns on any game but thats me), what I've come to realize in my airgun journey over the last two years is there's a thing called "Youtube Hype" , you wanna hunt past 100 yards? do you but I have done things the youtubers have (built an mk2 impact shooting 30.5 zan slugs 1055 fps MOA at 100 yards and out to 265 yards) and to me theres a lot of fluff in what you see on the tube.
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Speaking of slot of fluff on YouTube... Alot of the content providers airgun s used for the videos have to be cherry picked by manufacture... The ones on the long range videos have good.barrels. My Texan was a solid 3 to 4 moa performance unless you cleaned it every 4 shots... My cool Texan wasn't accurate enough for long range distance until I hand lapped the barrel... The video of very big rifle 1000 yard shooting is not a normal shooter. His gun has premium bench rest barrel,krieger, broughton,brux,hart.ECT. He is also experienced bench rest shooter. If you have zero wind I'm sure you lob some subsonic long range.. Wind is the problem!!!!!!!
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When I shot my mk2 at a wiffle ball at 265 yards it was very repeatable, without wind. We had like 4mph gusts and through the spotting scope watched that thing land 5 feet to the right in the birm behind the target when a gust of wind came through. It also only had like 10 fpe once it reached the target.
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Everyone is going too be . Shooting airguns long range with the price and availability of powder burner ammo. $4.
00 A shot isn't very cost effective.. If you can shoot a airgun 100 yards or further you will be a better marksman. Those big 50 slugs carry slot more energy down range than you think. I wouldn't want to get hit buy a 650 grainer at any range lol.
00 A shot isn't very cost effective.. If you can shoot a airgun 100 yards or further you will be a better marksman. Those big 50 slugs carry slot more energy down range than you think. I wouldn't want to get hit buy a 650 grainer at any range lol.
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I'd go further and flat out state Texan barrels are at best mediocre when new. Mine was total garbage, worse even than Reedmosser's. Mine is a 357 and the barrel flexes so much on a shot, even after firelapping and having a truly smooth bore, it is incapable of doing better than 3-4 inches at 100 yards without the goobered together barrel stiffiner I made for it. With a sleeve supported in 5 places along the length of the barrel, mine will shoot under 2 inches at 100. Most, but not all of the long range texan shooting I see on youtube, are nothing but cherry picked shots, the semi-honest ones show many misses that if you watch them you realize the eventual hit is just a matter of chance.
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What’s practical? If the goal is to have fun trying to hit something at long distance, even if it take 5, 10, or even 20 shots, then yes.
Rather than going for a high hit ratio, the game can be to see who can hit it once with the fewest number of shots.
It does not need to be very accurate at those far distances in order to fulfill that purpose.
Rather than going for a high hit ratio, the game can be to see who can hit it once with the fewest number of shots.
It does not need to be very accurate at those far distances in order to fulfill that purpose.
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