Dealers Should be Ashamed of Themselves, Now with an Edit....
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Bought an AV 4500 compressor when they 1st came out.
Still working great and never had a break down.
Still working great and never had a break down.
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Running your own business can be hard work and many times not very profitable. You have to pay the rent, taxes, utilities, shipping costs, salaries (if you have hired help), attorney and accountant fees, and many other things I forgot to mention. Oh, don't forget stuff that gets lost or stolen and dishonest employees. Then your personal hours are far more than you expected plus staying up and night worrying about business matters. Did I mention stress on yourself and your family? We love our hobbies, but when it becomes a business, it's not so much fun anymore. Hopefully, many of you don't experience the downside and get to meet great people and even compete with them on occasion. I don't begrudge a guy making a profit, but you have to look a little deeper into it.
P.S.: A reputable dealer will stand behind what he sells, even if the manufacturer screwed it up to begin with. That's built in to the cost too. So... why don't you go into business selling airgun stuff for cost?
P.S.: A reputable dealer will stand behind what he sells, even if the manufacturer screwed it up to begin with. That's built in to the cost too. So... why don't you go into business selling airgun stuff for cost?
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Amazon has no "35% bare bones profit margin", which discounts the entire basis of your complaint.
Purchasing an item based ONLY on absolute lowest price, while ignoring all other factors such as customer service, is often not the best way to invest into a niche hobby like airguns!
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I often refer to my life as a big toy collection. I finally realized that there is inexpensive and there is cheap and those are two different things. There’s the price and there’s what I’m willing to pay. There’s what I want, what I need and what I can afford. Unless I win the $1.3 billion Lottery I doubt I’ll be dropping $1500+ on a compressor because I don’t want one that badly. Retailers can charge what they want. The market will sort itself out.
Rick H.
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I don't know anything about the margins on airgun pieces but I got a couple surprises when I set up a Stoeger Bullshark. I thought it was about the same thing as my P35s except for the stock and it is but with a couple differences that suggest Stoeger (bullshark) got SPA (the manufacturer and seller of the P35) to upgrade. The bullshark has a barrel 40mm longer (490 versus 450) and the same shroud so I thought it would be louder. Isn't. So the baffle design has to be better. It is different, I knew that, but I was surprised it did as well with significantly less space. The other difference is the block the rear screw attaching the stock goes into. On my P35s that block is zine. As you would expect it fails over time and I put SS thread repairs in. The kit only cost $10 so it isn't a big deal but this is the only area I think SPA cheaped out. On the bullshark I was prepairing to install the repair but checked that block with a magnet. It is steel. So Stoeger got a couple areas upgraded in the bullshark.
I know nothing about those compressors but it seems possible there are small but non-trivial differences in the ones sold under another firms name.
I know nothing about those compressors but it seems possible there are small but non-trivial differences in the ones sold under another firms name.
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There is price gouging in every business and airguns is no exception. You need to shop around and use your noggin to keep costs down to a reasonable ripoff level (just kidding there). I do buy a lot from Amazon, as there prices are very good and no, I've never seen anything like mentioned about the item not being the same as local or whatever. I've spent a lot of money on that site over the years and am totally satisfied. When it comes to guns and compressors, they are your big money items, but there are alternatives. Have you considered the GX compressors. I see no need for me to spend a boatload on a high end compressor when I can use a couple GX compressors and never have a hiccup. They are reliable and well built. I fill guns directly and don't mess with large bottles. They are mobile, so wherever my truck is, I have air.
There are ways to save monety and still enjoy the sport. I choose to shoot and enjoy and live with the cost. I know I'm blessed and don't have to worry about it, but I don't like being ripped off any more than anyone else.
There are ways to save monety and still enjoy the sport. I choose to shoot and enjoy and live with the cost. I know I'm blessed and don't have to worry about it, but I don't like being ripped off any more than anyone else.
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Ok I guess I need to clarify a tad on the reason for this post as some have understood the point and others have missed it.....
The 1st few lines of my post state in summary:
in the beginning stages of looking into aNEW Compressor Setup
I have used the YH set up for a few years , modified it with dual filter setup, external water chiller, etc.
So in my initial search i have come up with either biting the bullet and buying a Coltri, or Alkin, or going the Tuxing TXEDT032 route...
There is a huge price difference between them, obviously, but there is also a Huge difference in quality as well....
Now with that all revisited I mentioned the dealer branded compressor on my low-end possibility list of compressors and the discrepancy on pricing.
I was Not saying that is the compressor I was buying, merely pointing out what I ran into when searching for information on said compressor.
I fill Multiple, Large Bottles a few times a week, usually from 225 bar back up to 300 bar, hence the excessive wear and tear on the poor YH.
The YH has 2 fans blowing across it, Plus the Water Chiller Unit keeping the water at a fairly consistent 44-48 degrees, and I ONLY run Nuvair oil in it....
Hopefully this clears up a few things, if not, hell I tried....
The 1st few lines of my post state in summary:
in the beginning stages of looking into aNEW Compressor Setup
I have used the YH set up for a few years , modified it with dual filter setup, external water chiller, etc.
So in my initial search i have come up with either biting the bullet and buying a Coltri, or Alkin, or going the Tuxing TXEDT032 route...
There is a huge price difference between them, obviously, but there is also a Huge difference in quality as well....
Now with that all revisited I mentioned the dealer branded compressor on my low-end possibility list of compressors and the discrepancy on pricing.
I was Not saying that is the compressor I was buying, merely pointing out what I ran into when searching for information on said compressor.
I fill Multiple, Large Bottles a few times a week, usually from 225 bar back up to 300 bar, hence the excessive wear and tear on the poor YH.
The YH has 2 fans blowing across it, Plus the Water Chiller Unit keeping the water at a fairly consistent 44-48 degrees, and I ONLY run Nuvair oil in it....
Hopefully this clears up a few things, if not, hell I tried....
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Here's a couple of tins I bought from AOA at there first location early 2000 before bar codes were used on JSB ammo. Maybe someone can read a date from the codes on the price tags.
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Well I guess you can see why these companies rebrand and sell at a hugely higher price. People still buy them. I have no idea if their justifications are legit but clearly the price doesn’t deter.
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The airgun community and market isn’t as large as the forums might lead some to assume...
I would agree 100%!
But then I see that 22,000 people are interested in a $999 PCP .25 caliber pistol that is still in the pre-production stage, and is not yet available.
The manufacturer is seeking capitol in the form of deposits and donations.
The whole deal seems suspicious to me, based only on the amount of people interested.
Perhaps I am wrong and its legit, but Im not interested.
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I'm so glad I was able to pick up the F10 for a song before they went out of business. It's the polar opposite of the vevor clone of the yong hang. What a piece of dung!! It did work pretty good after I reassembled correctly but when I first received it....... Knowing what I do now I would have paid the full price for it.
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A free market requires that a seller can price the product at his discretion. The market can bear a certain price before it pulls back. Sometimes the pricing seems excessive, as it may be. But, we may not know the amount of other inventory that had to be sold at a loss just to get rid of it. It works in the long run.
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You can't own a boat and a riding mower at the same time. You have to save up and pick your poison. Now six years in with an AV-4500 from PA. It's been a wonderful compressor.
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