Daystate Revere regulated vs non regulated

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cahil_2

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I see AOA has the Revere in both regulated and non regulated. I have been thinking of pulling the trigger on one but can’t decide on which. I used to own a regal and loved it except I hated the bolt. I got 50 good consistent shots with the sling shot valve system. The extra $100 for the regulated gun is not a factor. This will be a pest gun. What say you guys regulated or non?
 
My non regulated 22 Regal XL is more accurate on paper at 50 yards 1/4" groups or better than my regulated version at 3/8" to 1/2" I have another regulated 22 Regal on its way to have a second opinion about it since it bothered me for years now so this is putting it to test. Member Matt Detushe5 sp? Can verify the 1/4" groups from this unregulated Regal XL.

Reminds me of ONE of my 6 Edgun R3M 22 caliber guns 1/2" or better at 100 yards with old label JSB 18.1gr JSBs none of my others even comes close at 100 yards. Bought it from a seller in NY who owned more than a dozen of these who got out of the game years ago it was his keeper. He made leather cheek pads for Edguns back in the day. He guaranteed the accuracy and its definitely not Hollywood style BS.
 
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I traded my Regal XL 22 for a Renegade and wish I never did. I'll probably buy another one this year. Hard to beat for hunting squirrels in TN in my opinion. Daystate claims the new Revere version gets 55 shots per fill at 30 pounds, but we shall see.
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Mine is .25 cal and gets 25 consistent shots at 38fpe on a 250 bar fill and another 5 usable shots falling off the reg...(which is set at 185 bar from the factory) I usually just shoot 2 mags and refill...20 shots is plenty for a hunting trip after Bushy tails...the accuracy is fonominal and oh so comfortable to shoot!!

James from Michigan 
 
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You have to consider the regulators on these were purely market demand driven, Daystate never considered it was needed, also more to go wrong etc. etc.

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Regs are over rated. Been shooting non reg pcp's since 1989. Now own a bunch of regged PCP's. Accuracy is about the same to me, but now you have creep, 1st shot variations in velocity, and more O rings to leak. JMHO.

Scott


 
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I understand that some think that regulators are overrated. But that is too simplistic, they are popular with shooters for what they do. My first PCP rifle was unregulated. When I purchased my second, I was specifically looking for a model with a “good” regulator. And I was not influenced by the market. I wanted to be able to fully fill or partially fill my PCP and have shot to shot consistency anywhere in the shot string. Main advantage to me is even when I can’t fully fill my PCP bottle. I’m still getting a consistent shot string... no bell curve to worry about or counting of shots down range. When I purchase a Revere it will be the regulated version.
 
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I’m not real clear on why someone would want a gun without a regulator when it's available with one if not other than price. The benefits to a regulated gun are much greater than one without. Accuracy and performance are not diminished by a regulator. If anything, performance is greatly improved. Otherwise, why would manufacturers install them and not just let the end user install them themselves? 
I would also think resale of a non regulated gun would be more challenging and at a much greater loss than the same gun with one. 
 
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I am certainly not opposed to a better or regulated gun. I have a Wolverine that is regulated and a Regal Huntsman that is unregulated. I don't think the Wolverine is more accurate than my Huntsman, however the higher shot count higher fill pressure is a plus for sure. I was talking with a well respected dealer that shoots field target that told me they are selling more unregulated Reveres to the Hunter class. I didn't ask why. I am not an expert on PCP's or regulators. But I do wonder if it is easier and cost may cost less for a manufacture to make a consistent valve that is regulated. I do have some questions about regulators but am not even sure I can ask intelligently probably for another post as to not derail this post. The only reason I ask about an unregulated Huntsman is wondering if one could get a higher shot count. I really like my Huntsman and wouldn't mind getting one in 22
 
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I’m not real clear on why someone would want a gun without a regulator when it's available with one if not other than price. The benefits to a regulated gun are much greater than one without. Accuracy and performance are not diminished by a regulator. If anything, performance is greatly improved. Otherwise, why would manufacturers install them and not just let the end user install them themselves? 
I would also think resale of a non regulated gun would be more challenging and at a much greater loss than the same gun with one.
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I can typically get more shots or a shotstring at a higher power without a regulator than with. When the entire air supply is a plenum you have more options. This is not true about most unregged guns out of the box but a properly tuned unregulated gun can compete with if not out perform an out of the box regulated gun. Regulators are a crutch for a design not properly proportioned with transfer port, hammer weight, spring tension and the such. When you try to offer a one gun does all design and swappable from .177-.30 it's a must but a properly tuned dedicated caliber/power setup will benefit from being unregulated in my opinion. 
 
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Pretty interesting as I was talking recently with @orion about this same subject. Regulated vs not. He was telling me about Steve’s https://youtu.be/tdvm6NFK0KM  with @rusbear, & even though I was there & actually met Николай, I wasn’t aware that the gun he used to win EBR ‘19 was a non regulated gun. Forward to about 1:53 for that interview.

I’m not advocating for one or the other. I’m far of an expert on the subject & I’m here, like y’all, to learn. But over the years I have heard from many guys with a lot more knowledge than me, that regulators are not necessarily necessary or even the best thing. I think both options have pros and cons. I owned an unregulated .22 Regal, sold it, and I think I will, at some, fix that problem.

Had the pleasure to shoot one in .177 today. An MK2 that @gashooter1979 brought over and was nice enough to let me shoot. This thing was shooting a tiny 1/4” or less at 30 yards. 
 
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A lot of the older guys are stubborn about the whole regulator thing...Lol.

But I'm here to tell you that any non regulated gun no matter the valveing is going to have some sort of bell curve in factory form...for distances of 25/30 yards this isn't an issue! But if you plan on stretching it out to 60, 80, 100 yards your shot count window closes down significantly!! Regulated gun stays right on target until your drop below it's set pressure...so for short range hunting it's a great thing and never have to worry about creep or any kind of reg failure!!! Its purely a choice and I choose the reg after playing with both for a few years now...

Not trying to ruffle any feathers!! Just my 2 cents. 

James from Michigan 
 
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