Daystate delta wolf - any shot strings yet?
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Your question is a difficult one to answer fully. I have a 30 and a 22 with spare 25 cal kit on hand. As I've mentioned in previous posts , the possibilities are near infinite. On the 30 cal in factory mode, I've gotten 60 shots at 880 with 50.1s , with an es of 13. On the 25 and 22, I am more searching for accuracy nodes, so don't shoot full strings "just to see". That's a LOT of ammo. AoA has documented 90 shots with the 25 cal in factory mode with the 33.4s and an es of 15. We can get smaller extreme spreads on Advanced mode and different reg settings but it's a PROCESS. We've been testing and trying to assemble some Advanced mode start points for future owners, but again.... the possibilities are near infinite.
Definitely a nice bullpup to shoot. Not sure many future owners will really tap into the capabilities it offers. There is a lot of power available for slugs and heavies, but it's not infinite. Mainly, it will be GREAT for changing pellets for different purposes or changing calibers. Consider that once you find a tune and store it, takes 20 seconds to put it BACK IN OPERATION, and it's as perfect as when you made it. Takes about 2 minutes to swap calibers if you have the full barrel kit.
I've created a tune for shooting Hobbies at 600 for offhand practice in my shop and in 20 seconds can switch to MRDs at 980 for long range work.
Hope this helps....
Bob
Definitely a nice bullpup to shoot. Not sure many future owners will really tap into the capabilities it offers. There is a lot of power available for slugs and heavies, but it's not infinite. Mainly, it will be GREAT for changing pellets for different purposes or changing calibers. Consider that once you find a tune and store it, takes 20 seconds to put it BACK IN OPERATION, and it's as perfect as when you made it. Takes about 2 minutes to swap calibers if you have the full barrel kit.
I've created a tune for shooting Hobbies at 600 for offhand practice in my shop and in 20 seconds can switch to MRDs at 980 for long range work.
Hope this helps....
Bob
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Hobbies (11.5G?) @ 600fps = -10ftlbf. and MRD (25.39) at 980 = 54ftlbf
yep, that would help
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But I wish it had that available power spread in standard factory setting, I am no wizz when it comes to programming.
yep, that would help
.But I wish it had that available power spread in standard factory setting, I am no wizz when it comes to programming.
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Spread on the DW is a bit of a misnomer, the closed loop on the chrono should take care of most of that, if you weigh pellets even better, I got 10 shots identical the other day in .25 with weighed pellets.
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The programming is quite easy, but you WILL need to know basic things about what the settings do and their ranges. The factory mode may not go QUITE that low... but will still give low power capable of hundreds of shots and nice, gentle, quiet behavior .
Bob
Bob
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Hi, this is Delta Wolf .22 FAC using jsb redesign 25.39 and H&N Slug 25.39 0.218 both using Factory mode setting speed at 880fps
i am new to electronic airguns,. what do you think about these results ?
i am new to electronic airguns,. what do you think about these results ?
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Bob,
Please make the starter Advanced mode settings available to present owners as well. I am struggling to get started.
Thanks
Jesse
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I have a .30 caliber DW. shooting JSB 44.75. looking for 900 FPS. in both factory & advanced modes. in many 16 shot chrony strings I get 60 - 70 FPS extreme spreads which on paper looks awful. the first couple shots are always very slow & low on target.. but, if I throw out the first 2 or 3 shots the extreme spread will drop into the teens 13 - 14 FPS and accuracy is good. is this typical with a Huma regulated rifle? have about 1200 pellets thru the gun now.
appreciate any & all feedback.
Scott in Wisconsin
appreciate any & all feedback.
Scott in Wisconsin
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No that’s not typical of properly tuned regulated mechanical platforms, Huma or otherwise. The Delta Wolf has this issue. If the gun shuts down, for any length if time, the first shot or 2 will be lower than the rest. This is if it’s powered up after a few days or powered up after a few seconds of being off. You can avoid it by burning the first couple of shots and keeping the gun on.
I’ve observed this on several Delta Wolfs. 4 in all (3 in .25 and 1 in .30). Hopefully it may be rectified in an upcoming update but I’m not in the know on this or any upcoming Daystate advancements with the Delta Wolf. It Obviously isn’t right and needs to be addressed.
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As you say, hopefully this issue will be addressed - and soon. Because for many this is a deal breaker. Not so much for paper punchers but the guys out shooting live quarry that first shot is the only one that matters.
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Hi, this is Delta Wolf .22 FAC using jsb redesign 25.39 and H&N Slug 25.39 0.218 both using Factory mode setting speed at 880fps
i am new to electronic airguns,. what do you think about these results ?
For long range shooting you generally want the extreme spread as low as possible. For shooting straight out the tin I would accept a 2 m/s (6 fps) spread, maybe an outlier to 3 m/s (10 fps) max but for matches I am satisfied when I reach a 1m/s spread (3 fps). In my opinion airguns should at least be capable to stay within 10 fps spread... Maybe/most likely it will improve with some tuning?!
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Here is another result, shooting with Advanced mode ( My settings ) 31 ft/lb with unsorted pellets
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Hi, this is Delta Wolf .22 FAC using jsb redesign 25.39 and H&N Slug 25.39 0.218 both using Factory mode setting speed at 880fps
i am new to electronic airguns,. what do you think about these results ?
I'd be more than happy with those.
Do you experience low MV for the first few shots after a power-off ?
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For first shot low velocity problem... try lowering the reg pressure to just above the minimum to achieve the velocity you want. Daystate has created tables for it that cover a wide range of power without readjusting the reg. These are not optimum for any given velocity. Setting the reg lower should make it less sensitive to small changes in reg pressure. I've reached out to Huma about the regs and they were VERY unhelpful. I suspect that the design to go from 90 to 190 bar in pressure leaves it a little less stable than their typical units. I've had them apart and can find no real problem in the design but haven't measured the range of movement which is pretty small in most others I've looked at .
Anyway.... on mine, the first shot to falling off reg is typically around a 10 es. First shot is not low, using the above tuning method. The factory mode is great for testing at different velocities but I don't think was intended for a set it and leave it scenario... especially for hunting or FT.
I hope this helps. Great things are in the works. I'm really excited to see them and hope it's not too long.
Bob
Anyway.... on mine, the first shot to falling off reg is typically around a 10 es. First shot is not low, using the above tuning method. The factory mode is great for testing at different velocities but I don't think was intended for a set it and leave it scenario... especially for hunting or FT.
I hope this helps. Great things are in the works. I'm really excited to see them and hope it's not too long.
Bob
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Mine also has a wide ES in factory mode from the short time I've spent with it so far. This is particularly disappointing given how well the chrony feedback already worked on the airwolf MVT 10+ years ago. And that was without the advantage of a reg and big plenum. The airwolf would progressively move toward targeted velocity over 4-6shots and then lock in. Plus that had no pellet weight variables added in to murky the waters. It seems to me that whoever did the programming on the current firmware was very heavy handed on the level of adjustment made for a given chrony deviation within the feedback loop, with the gun significantly overshooting the targeted velocity both high and low, even if a previous shot lands within an fps or 2.
If indeed they didn't intend the factory mode to be a set and forget mode (which I think would be a massive error in judgement as you're locking out virtually everyone who doesn't fancy learning electronic tuning, and they are many), they then really need to put a muzzle on their marketing department :
Not to mention the other posts they make about how effective/quiet the shroud is...
I genuinely love my Daystate rifles, including my Delta wolf and like the OP on the 'Delta wolf in factory mode' thread said, I think the hardware is near perfect. I do however expect SIGNIFICANT improvements in the upcoming firmware/software updates, as I have very little doubt these issues are purely related to poor/beta level programming.
If indeed they didn't intend the factory mode to be a set and forget mode (which I think would be a massive error in judgement as you're locking out virtually everyone who doesn't fancy learning electronic tuning, and they are many), they then really need to put a muzzle on their marketing department :
Not to mention the other posts they make about how effective/quiet the shroud is...
I genuinely love my Daystate rifles, including my Delta wolf and like the OP on the 'Delta wolf in factory mode' thread said, I think the hardware is near perfect. I do however expect SIGNIFICANT improvements in the upcoming firmware/software updates, as I have very little doubt these issues are purely related to poor/beta level programming.
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Here is another result, using advanced mode settings ( 2218 )
and here is using advanced mode with my own settings, for 31ft/lb
I have asked myself, why not trying to decrease the hammer dwell as much as I can and increasing the volts to get my desired speed, I wanted the least amount of air to push the pellet and compensate it with higher voltage and I have noticed that the consistency is very very good using this approach, ofc i need more testing and i will keep you updated
and here is using advanced mode with my own settings, for 31ft/lb
I have asked myself, why not trying to decrease the hammer dwell as much as I can and increasing the volts to get my desired speed, I wanted the least amount of air to push the pellet and compensate it with higher voltage and I have noticed that the consistency is very very good using this approach, ofc i need more testing and i will keep you updated
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I tuned the first shot low out for my .30 Delta Wolf. I dropped reg pressure as Arzrover ~ Bob, has advised. Thank you my friend.
Drop reg pressure about as low as possible to still achieve the desired speed. I found this by shooting it off the previous reg setting of 155 bar in Advanced Mode. Shot it down to 135 bar before it began to drop velocity. From there, unscrewed bottle, degassed plenum with a dry fire if needed, adjusted reg clockwise 1/4 turn to lower pressure and replaced bottle. It was down to 130 bar. Raised it to 138 bar with very slight adjustments counter clockwise. This can be done with bottle on as the reg pressure can be raised while under pressure.
Tested and all is very good. First shot after powering on is within 7-8 fps of average. Good to go
Drop reg pressure about as low as possible to still achieve the desired speed. I found this by shooting it off the previous reg setting of 155 bar in Advanced Mode. Shot it down to 135 bar before it began to drop velocity. From there, unscrewed bottle, degassed plenum with a dry fire if needed, adjusted reg clockwise 1/4 turn to lower pressure and replaced bottle. It was down to 130 bar. Raised it to 138 bar with very slight adjustments counter clockwise. This can be done with bottle on as the reg pressure can be raised while under pressure.
Tested and all is very good. First shot after powering on is within 7-8 fps of average. Good to go
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