FX Could this be my leak? (Gauge)

[Normkel]

No insult implied or intended @Normkel
I would sooner throw my first born into the freezing waters of the North Atlantic than immerse an air gun

Why? They are not so sensitive to external water that any harm is done, SFAIK. I've had one in the rain, after all.

Clearly, what you choose to do with your stuff, or the advice that you offer is up to you, not disputing that.

I'm genuinely interested in what you consider to be the problem inherent in immersing a pressurized PCP. What am I overlooking?

BTW, my first born is about 1-1/2 times my size so trying to throw in isn't an option, although there are times.....

 

[manabeknives]

one of these days..i need to fix up my Indy

 

[JaceSpace1369]

Not always
I am an only child.
Even my sister will tell you that


(she is younger by 6 yrs)

That's different! My sister is younger by 5.5yrs, I was pretty much the "golden boy" also the only birthed male in my mother's side of the family until 2 years ago. Any other man in the family is simply by marriage.

 

[SilentSquirrel]

Why? They are not so sensitive to external water that any harm is done, SFAIK. I've had one in the rain, after all.

Clearly, what you choose to do with your stuff, or the advice that you offer is up to you, not disputing that.

I'm genuinely interested in what you consider to be the problem inherent in immersing a pressurized PCP. What am I overlooking?

BTW, my first born is about 1-1/2 times my size so trying to throw in isn't an option, although there are times.....

If I were simply immersing a pressurized vessel such as a bottle with valve there would be little hesitation
You are correct
Pressure Keeps the water out
However, the barrel, shroud, hammer & trigger mechanisms are not protected
Perhaps someday I will have the courage to try it out

 

[6gun]

Now i want to find your model gun and buy one

 

[SilentSquirrel]

one of these days..i need to fix up my Indy

There is no time like the present to get started Mike
just my two scents
Edward

PS
But if not
You know where to find me

View attachment Indy-1 parts list .pdf

View attachment build-in-rifle-pump.pdf

 

[Gerry52]

Actually, you do know the inside of one very well @Gerry52
The Indy & Independence use the same block and innards as the Royales, with a pump in place of the bottle
Smooth Twist barrel too
The pump however is a piece of design ingenuity.
Fingers crossed that I never have to take one apart

And yes, I will post success or failure
Rechecking everything is needed.
I thought the leak was minor and came to a slow stop around 125B
Until I tapped on the gauge and it dropped to 50B that is.

More to come as things progress/degrade

Edward

Thanks. See, I didn't even know that (about the block)!

 

[Normkel]

If I were simply immersing a pressurized vessel such as a bottle with valve there would be little hesitation
You are correct
Pressure Keeps the water out
However, the barrel, shroud, hammer & trigger mechanisms are not protected
Perhaps someday I will have the courage to try it out

In the spirit of conversation: What would be the issue with water affecting any of those parts?

Mine are all lubricated and/or sprayed with an anti-corrosion such as Fluid Film because we live in a humid environment.

The barrel and shroud seem to be very effectively purged by air blast due to firing, and I use shop air to dry off any water. When it wasn't convenient to use shop air, I used a commerial can of "Dust Blaster".

I do remove the stock as it's in the way and there doesn't seem to be any advantage to immersing that.

It is my impression that neither one of us is intending to win some argument, but rather we are discussing the practice regarding possible risks and benefits.

My view and experience with gun mechanisms is that they need to be protected from the effects of moisture and other corrisives, as a matter of course, so a temporary immersion provides no risks.

I've been moose hunting in rain and "nasty" with $25,000 English double rifles (and high end classic shotguns) which were similarly exposed to water and anticorrosion materials. We never detected any issues at all. I was many times more concerned about risks to those than to a PCP.

On the other hand, I have had several additional problems caused by unnecessary disassembly. That biases me towards narrowing the cause as much as is possible.

Does any of that appear to be ill-advised?

 

[Normkel]

That's different! My sister is younger by 5.5yrs, I was pretty much the "golden boy" also the only birthed male in my mother's side of the family until 2 years ago. Any other man in the family is simply by marriage.

My sister is 50 years younger than I am, and she has been 45 years, younger, 35 years younger, and so on for the last 50 years. I dare anyone to say she's over (75) in her hearing.

 

[SilentSquirrel]

In the spirit of conversation: What would be the issue with water affecting any of those parts?

Mine are all lubricated and/or sprayed with an anti-corrosion such as Fluid Film because we live in a humid environment.

The barrel and shroud seem to be very effectively purged by air blast due to firing, and I use shop air to dry off any water. When it wasn't convenient to use shop air, I used a commerial can of "Dust Blaster".

I do remove the stock as it's in the way and there doesn't seem to be any advantage to immersing that.

It is my impression that neither one of us is intending to win some argument, but rather we are discussing the practice regarding possible risks and benefits.

My view and experience with gun mechanisms is that they need to be protected from the effects of moisture and other corrisives, as a matter of course, so a temporary immersion provides no risks.

I've been moose hunting in rain and "nasty" with $25,000 English double rifles (and high end classic shotguns) which were similarly exposed to water and anticorrosion materials. We never detected any issues at all. I was many times more concerned about risks to those than to a PCP.

On the other hand, I have had several additional problems caused by unnecessary disassembly. That biases me towards narrowing the cause as much as is possible.

Does any of that appear to be ill-advised?

Your points are well taken @Normkel
And your guns are undeniably well protected.
The immersion method may work for you.
It is, however, out of my comfort zone

Edward

 

[SilentSquirrel]

Hello members
I'm chasing down a leak on an FX Indy 25
It's leaking at 25B per hour
I have done
- balloon test (negative)
- Snoop solution at all external fittings and at the regulator vent hole
None have found the leak

I'm wondering if the gauge is the problem
PICTURE
NOTICE: at the 0 BAR/psi position there is a screw missing
SEE: the screw hanging out at the 60B position

Could that missing screw be causing the leak?

Thanks
Edward




LEAK LOCATED!

After not finding the leak then first time around I redid the balloon tests on the barrel and fill fitting
The difference being that this time I reaffirmed the balloon's seal by taping over the neck with vinyl electrical tape.
It took no time at all for the balloon on the barrel to start inflating.
In my limited view that means that air is passing the valve.
Either because the O ring in the seat is bad or the seal between valve & seat is poor/obstructed
If anyone has a different idea please mention it
It should be a very straightforward fix
Once the pumps is removed the valve & seat are very accessible
Just like a Royale.

Before disassembling I am going to shoot 3 or 4 mags and see if the valve obstruction (if that's what it is) clears itself

More later

Edward