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FHowe55

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New to airguns from regular firearms:

Does anyone share my dilemma? In searching for a "QUALITY" air rifle, I find that even the supposed BEST OF THE BEST/GERMAN manufacturers offer sub-standard rifles. Reading reviews, even RWS and Weirauch have problems. I became interested in RWS model 48 or RWS 470th. Then I find multiple reviews where the fulcrum pins for the cocking levers fail........ with zero documentation that RWS has addressed the issue for corrective action for these failures!

May I inquire if anyone has either of these two air rifles and if you've experienced these same problems?

New to airguns, coming from regular firearms ownership (with ZERO quality problems), I don't particularly care to spend large amounts of money to acquire headaches with regard to quality issues! I just want to enjoy the marksmanship WITHOUT these types of issues -

I also have to comment: I contacted Pyramyd Air to ask for direction regarding this issue. They may have great service for replacement of sub-standard rifles, but the sales agent wasn't very helpful with regard to my questions and at the end of the conversation had me feeling like I was bothering her or wasting her time. NICE!

THANKS in advance for replies!!!
 
Like you I come from a long line of firearms. Have had lots of them brake or malfunction also.

But consurning airguns I had it explained to me early on in my facanation with them, that there is more to them than firearms.

A PB has no energy, the energy is stored in the Cartage. A air gun all the energy is stored in the gun, weather it be a spring or compressed air.

Spring guns also have the ability to recharge its self through compressing the spring over and over. 

Airguns are also shot more on average than most firearms. Not many firearms have more than a few boxes of Amy go through them. But most of the guys on these forums have piles of empty pellet tins to show for the use and wear given there air rifles.

So there is a lot more to go rong and wear out in airguns than most firearms. It a price we accept and pay, the ones the OP asked about are fine guns. But I do not thing of the thousands of then that hav been bought and sold a very high percentage fail. 

Also take what you read in the interweaves with a grand of salt,,, complaints get posted happy shooters shoot !

Hairsmith
 
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Hairsmith said it all ! That being said I bought a RWS 48b in 1996 I’ve resealed and replaced the main spring twice , first time because of broken factory spring after years of heavy use . Second time because I borrowed it out for a year or so where the lady had rabbit problem, she left it cocked the whole year I’m thinking . This time Vortek pg2 kit . I shoot this gun a ton yet to this day, accurate as ever , undeniably best gun ( longevity wise) I’ve ever bought , never one single issue due to manufacturer . She’s a tack driver . I’m always tinkering with this and that , not any different than changing/ looking for that perfect powder /bullet combination . 

Oh and yes it is a rabbit hole !

CalC 
 
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Airgun selection can be daunting at first and you will get lots of advice. Yes they do break more than firearms but they are more mechanical. My firearms break too. Since you seem to be looking at spring guns I can tell you what I like and all are more expensive than RWS or Diana. I like the following spring guns, HW 77/97, AirArms TX 200 or ProSport, and guys like the Walther LGV and LGU. Rws stuff is a little less expensive but the 430L looks and shoots well. Don't be misled by the high power claims of some companies. You should consider spring guns that shoot maybe 11 to 15 or so foot pounds of energy in .177. Depending on what you are trying to do, power just is not everything.

Good Luck..

Rick Bassett
 
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I have to agree with every one else. I have replaced the hinge pin on my HW 80 which is a magnum springer similar in power to the Rws 48. But this was after about 8 thoundsand shots and still working. More like rutine maintenance I have 6 Weihrauchs and have tuned around 25 or so for friend out of that I have seen one true defect and was able to resolve that. The worst I have ever seen was last year I fixed a tx 200 that had to have the main body replaced. Because the gun had been shot so much that a new cocking shoe would fall out. This was an original tx200 with a 4 digit serial number. 150.00 dollars later it is like new and shooting again. I ask the owner if he had any idea how many times it had been shot his answer was quite a few. With all that said any of the springers that have been mentioned here on this post prior are all great guns.

Airguns or Arizona has a lifetime warranty on Weihrauch Rifles this may have some limitations of course but it would be worth a call. If you can swing one them your problems solved. But if you are set on the RWS you should be fine also. I hope this helps.

Chris Bassett
 
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It's not a perfect world. And if you have never experienced any problems with firearms....you've not much experience with those either.
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^This. It bears repeating. All mechanical devices have issues, failures, and problems both issues from the factory and over time. Firearms are just like this. Go on arfcom and look at Glock or SIG or really any significant brand. There will be someone complaining that "they aren't making them like they used to" or "they always break" or this or that. There is always someone with some problem. That isn't to insult firearms, quite the opposite, it is simply to point out that firearms aren't special and have the same benefits and faults of all mechanical devices just like airguns. 

Regarding airgun failures and forums/reviews, keep in mind that people are much more likely to go to a forum or leave a review if they have an issue. This makes the number of issues reported disproportionate to the number of happy users on a given forum. Particularly with springers, there are probably hundreds of thousands of the darn things scattered all over the world in people's gun closets which have been providing reliable service for decades. Some are shot more than others, no doubt, but the happy users who don't want to deal with our kind of riffraff on a forum are legion. So take heart, forums are really really bad places to get an idea of failure rates. 

Regarding airgun selection, I would recommend going for a Weilrauch springer (it seems springers are what you're looking at, pardon me if that is incorrect), and one that isn't their most powerful. With spring systems, over time, there was a war to generate more and more power. Now PCPs have supplanted that, largely, as the go-to for very powerful ariguns. As a result the more highly stressed springer systems are, in my opinion, largely not worth it. This is particularly the case if you're just interested in marksmanship. Start with something like an HW30, shoot it, and enjoy it.



Of course if this doesn't sound like your cup of tea, you can always just buy some aguila colibri and convert your rimfire rifle into what is basically a pellet rifle. 

I hope that helps. :) 
 
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My humble opinion-springs and seals are consumables-My Beeman R9 lost power (though it still shot accurately) after 5 years and 6000 or pellets. I dropped a Vortek kit in it a few years ago and now it's as accurate and reliable as ever. I did get another used springer for that year's rabbit season-got most of my money back out of when I sold it. Give a guy an excuse to have more than one gun.....😁
 
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Broke a spring in a brand new Ruger Airhawk in ten months. But saying that I shoot a minimum 500 pellets per week. Some weeks I can go through 1500 pellets or more. So what I put through the gun in nine months a lot of people would not shoot that many in ten years or if ever. At least air guns I feel comfortable to work on. Tore some cheap air guns apart and played with spacers on springs and stuff and now worked up to bigger guns. Like others said airguns store a lot of energy in the gun and release can be violent to the gun. CHEERS!
 
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I'm not sure if you are set on a springer, but that seems to be what most of these posts are relating to. Check out the Taipan Veteran - I was turned onto it by guys on one of the other airgun forums when I was searching. Try to find an article that has anything bad to say other than mixed opinions on the look of the stock. Amazing gun that will shot both pellets and slugs well.
 
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