Clicking vs holdover

[ChuckInOhio]

The reason I want to try dialing in my targets is because I've been doing holdover for years now. It's great and all but I don't like having to go on my phone to check what my holdover needs to be for the shots. Sure I can just remember what it is but having multiple guns and different setups it's hard to keep track. I want one that I can just have my range finder then dial in the distance on my turret and done. Most my shots have time I can take if not oh well there's more to shoot at on the farm. It's also for people who want to try it out and then I don't have to try to tell them to holdover at yada yada and it should be right there rather than dial it in and keeps it easy for them.

I use Chairgun Pro to make these. It’s stays with the gun and is an immediate reference.

 

[bandg]

The reason I want to try dialing in my targets is because I've been doing holdover for years now. It's great and all but I don't like having to go on my phone to check what my holdover needs to be for the shots. Sure I can just remember what it is but having multiple guns and different setups it's hard to keep track. I want one that I can just have my range finder then dial in the distance on my turret and done. Most my shots have time I can take if not oh well there's more to shoot at on the farm. It's also for people who want to try it out and then I don't have to try to tell them to holdover at yada yada and it should be right there rather than dial it in and keeps it easy for them.

I use Chairgun Pro to make these. It’s stays with the gun and is an immediate reference.

That is an excellent setup. Seems it would be faster to look, aim, and shoot with that setup than clicking could be. Either method will serve people well but I really like that printed label. I've made such by hand but they are pretty crude.

 

[ChuckInOhio]

That is an excellent setup. Seems it would be faster to look, aim, and shoot with that setup than clicking could be. Either method will serve people well but I really like that printed label. I've made such by hand but they are pretty crude.

Thanks for the feedback! Chairgun will do this relatively easily, even creating the scope cap to the exact size if you so choose. I took the long way around by using the "Intercept View" applet in the Toolbox menu and then doing a little manual editing to get it exactly the way I wanted it based on its purpose, then sizing it manually for printing. It's a little better visual and has worked very well for me.

As an aside, Chairgun also generates scope tapes based on your data, I just haven't used that feature on my scopes personally, although based on this thread I may indeed try it out.

 

[Dairyboy]

That's a cool setup as well Chuck! Will probably do that too if I do ever need a quick shot. Thanks!

 

[kabukicrack]

I've done it both ways over the years. Still do for a few. I typically hold over for one simple reason-you can't forget to return to zero for a shot. But both methods are certainly functional.

There are many times that I've forgotten to return my swfa scopes back to zero after a shooting session (I dial my elevation turret). The very next day or day after, I just return the elevation turret back to zero. Retest my "zero" @ 30 & 60 yards & every shot is still on target. I can't say that about any other scope but the swfa scope is very forgiving...

Dairyboy,

Review this post bu AGN member https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/doc-stanley-his-dial-of-death-accuracy-graphic/ all that you need is contained here. I did the same and went to www.scope-weeks.com and bought the necessary products, he has a cap for your desired scope (SWFA) elevation turret that you can make a tape for. I then used Strelock Pro, the spreadsheet icon on bottom of iPhone screen first row far right; used the data in the “vertical correction column” to input the yardage’s and corresponding elevation turret clicks into the scope-works program that comes free when you buy a turret cap from him. Cost me $55 plus shipping, but was very easy.

I have this set up for my Taipan Vet 22 short on SWFA 3-15 FFP scope.

Beach-gunner

Dennis

Dennis (Beach-gunner)...Thanks for the proper props/credit w/ AGN link & Eric @ scopeworks link. Your elevation tape looks very professionally made...very nice...

I've been dialing for a while now & its been a very rewarding experience. I do recommend everyone to double check y'alls zero before you head out pesting/hunting. I use to use holdover religiously w/ Strelok Pro, but since then, I've been enjoying dialing w/ all 3 of my rifles.

If you lived where I live (Hill country of west Texas), you wouldn't be messing with turning turrets. If you were to do so, most of the game would be long gone!

I live in Texas & the winds can be horrible but you adapt/learn to shoot in the wind to be a sharp shooter. The decipline of shooting in the wind is very difficult. Mastering/learning shooting in the wind can make you a very deadly shooter. I've always though if the critter is still there waiting to be shot (after you lasered & dialed your elevation turret) then it was meant to be shot. After you dialed your turret & the critter decides to disappear then there's always next time.

Had to hold 3 mil quads over for the wind/drift sitting in my car for this shot below. The Shorty .22 is shooting jsb 15.89g pellets @ 830 fps @ 24 fpe...



Watch ""Dial of Death" brings a Fallen Black "Star"ling @ 89 yards in 28 mph winds..." on YouTube https://youtu.be/TAu5Adb_1hM

By the way this won't be my first SWFA. I've had a few of the Mil-quad and loved them. But then found a scope with the dot center instead of crosshairs which I greatly preferred and sold them. I stumbled upon the MOA-quad the other day and kick myself not knowing they had the dot center so now I need to get one!

I have one of those MOA scopes with the centre dot, I hate to burst your bubble but the centre dot is sooo tiny it mites well not be there at all

I have a sightron s3 10-50×60 moa-h scope with a center dot. The center dot is really helpful to shoot w/ when shooting long distances. Here's a video @ 15X shooting a furball @ 103 yards. I wish all swfa mil quad scopes had the center dot reticle for precision shooting. It would greatly help.

The raw .25 is shooting jsb 25g pellets @ 912 fps @ 46 fpe @ the muzzle…

@ 103 yards the Jsb 25g pellet impacted her @ ~600 fps @ 20 fpe…



Watch "103 yard squirrel dropping..." on YouTube https://youtu.be/hEsTanbgmZI





Dairyboy...

Clicking your elevation turret can be very addictive, especially when you see your game/critter sitting in front of you @ a easy range distance (25 - 100 yards) and you know your rifle can blow them outa the water super easy. Please be patient & take your time setting up your elevation dial to make her the most deadly accurate "Dial of Death" to man. This enduring timely process in making your turret will be worth it.

Here some other distances the "Dial of Death"" has performed:



Watch "58 & 11 yard "Dial of Death" Squirrel Combo..." on YouTube

https://youtu.be/Xei62S2ZYjg



Watch ""Dial of Death" interrupts morning breakfast @ 45 yards..." on YouTube

https://youtu.be/MniQkc-inXg



Watch ""Dial of Death" 67 yard starling down..." on YouTube

https://youtu.be/a2tJ30AC8nc



Watch ""Dial of Death" 73 yard neck breaker..." on YouTube

https://youtu.be/rbt18SYs3hA

 

[sscoyote]

Cool vids--love 'em. I calc then test the data, and recalc if needed, then put it in a Butler Creek ocular scope cap cover- range, vertical, and horizontal always in that order no headers needed, regardless if I'm using reticle or turret or reticle + turret.

 

[steve123]

I'm lazy I guess, I prefer to use FFP scopes, tree reticles,10 mil knobs, and a real zero stop. The Athlon Midas TAC although more expensive than the fixed power SWFA scopes is much more versatile and has better glass.

It's always nice to choose whichever magnification and not worry about the holds being off due to SFP. 

Mils being a 10 based system and say your solution is 3.5 mils, you don't count clicks per say, you dial to 3 then add 5 clicks vs counting 35 clicks, it's easy.

10 mils in one revolution is a ton of elevation!!!

 

[orion]

Few thoughts on clicking vs using the hold over. Depending on the amount of shooting, if you start dialing your scope for all the shoots be sure you have a scope with metal gear, because in a few months, your turrets wont dial anymore. Also as mentioned before, a scope with zero stop is really nice to have when you start dialing, in case you have to dial more than one revolution, super easy to go back.

This topic come exactly at the time when I'm doing this for my newly acquired scope. My process involve multiple things, I'll use Strelok but also I'll validate that I got the values from strelok right. I won't rely 100% initially on that data in case I have an incorrect parameter, like scope height, etc. So I'll use my manual measures in order to validate that I've entered all the parameters correct on strelok.

For the turret tape, I'll print one with regular paper and then attach it to the turret with scotch tape. This is great IMO because I can print multiple for different type of ammo, and its super cheap, well, it cost nothing really. The problem is to find what to print, but for that I think I've found the right solution.... I need to test this, but I've found this site online and I really like a lot the result, take a look:

http://turretlabels.com/builder.html

You can customize almost everything there!

Hope this helps!