I notice in this video Matt says he never cleans FX smooth twist barrels. Any comments?
https://youtu.be/CAR1myxvFjs
https://youtu.be/CAR1myxvFjs
Tuning Cleaning FX smooth twist barrels?
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Once they start to wear in they don't need much cleaning. But most of mine still need it every 600+ shots these days when the accuracy falls off a bit. I actually can't remember when I last cleaned my well used .25 slug A liner I have 12K rounds through this one. I also lap my liners when I get them to hurry this seldom need cleaned thing along.
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Yes, very seldom. I have had a Royale 400 several years, and only once have I observed accuracy fall off from a fouled barrel. And it might have shot clear in a few more pellets, but I gave it a quick pull through cleaning.
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I also agree, my impact mk2 25cal has slug liner A with well over 10,000 shots through it and I would only consider cleaning the liner if it had a loss of accuracy. But that’s just what my liner has experienced and I have heard of similar results from others.
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As i can some times have a gap in my shooting all i do is oil the barrel to protect the surface while the gun is sitting idle, it is not a cleaning effort.
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I had some accuracy issues with a gun I just got (used) with a 500mm superior barrel. For poops and giggles, I cleaned the barrel. It was FILTHY!!
afterwards, groups tightened up substantially. I don’t believe a word he says about these barrels. Some need cleaning, some dont. Also, slugs tend to gum the barrel up faster than pellets I’ve found.
afterwards, groups tightened up substantially. I don’t believe a word he says about these barrels. Some need cleaning, some dont. Also, slugs tend to gum the barrel up faster than pellets I’ve found.
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The original solid, ST barrels found on the Royale/Boss platform, in my experience, need cleaning far less than the liners, one of several reasons I no longer own a sleeve/liner rifle.
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Airgun barrels always get a buildup of oils and lubricants from the pellets and from your skin over a long period of time. Periodic cleaning certainly can't hurt. You pick your own interval.
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It depends a lot on what liner and which projectiles you are shooting. Let accuracy(usually more "flyer" pellets/slugs in your groups) be your guide for cleaning frequency. Some combos dirty up(lose accuracy) faster than others.
Also, it depends on what level of accuracy you expect. What is accurate enough for Matt's pesting, may not be accurate enough for someone else's benchrest shooting
Also, it depends on what level of accuracy you expect. What is accurate enough for Matt's pesting, may not be accurate enough for someone else's benchrest shooting
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I had some accuracy issues with a gun I just got (used) with a 500mm superior barrel. For poops and giggles, I cleaned the barrel. It was FILTHY!!
afterwards, groups tightened up substantially. I don’t believe a word he says about these barrels. Some need cleaning, some dont. Also, slugs tend to gum the barrel up faster than pellets I’ve found.
I 100% agree. Slugs get it dirty quick and accuracy improves with even a couple runs with a patch. I do mine every 100 rounds, 4 passes with a patch, takes 2-3 minutes. Every 500 I scrub.
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Forgot to say my experience is solely with my 10 year old Cyclone, with the old school ST barrel.
Whatever anyone say i cant see that cleaning your stuff would actually hurt it.
Whatever anyone say i cant see that cleaning your stuff would actually hurt it.
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Agree that the older solid ST barrels almost never needed cleaning. I clean the .30 FX Bobcat barrel about once a year "just because"... Like what was said above the STX liners are on a case by case basis, and slugs seem to require more cleaning that pellets. Just a thought, if you think Matt (or Ernest or Roelf or Gerhard or Ken) shoot the liners that come with their guns, and don't cherry pick from a large selection of liners and choose the best of 25/50/100?, then I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you...
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I've also used a lot of ST barrels, and it seems the older ones tend to not need cleaning much if ever. (I still use one because it's an excellent barrel) The STX on the other hand might need it 200-600 rounds. But found when I polished and waxed mine, I've yet to need to clean it again. At least the one I gave that treatment. The superior I have has never needed cleaning either.
Cherry picking has and will always be a thing with barrels. As long as there is reputation and competition to maintain. But is it entirely ethical? It's a bit grey.
All my LW barrels aside from one with a custom choke foul up pretty quick. They tend to be very tight. All that friction (like with slugs) leads to a lot of lead debris in the barrel.
Cherry picking has and will always be a thing with barrels. As long as there is reputation and competition to maintain. But is it entirely ethical? It's a bit grey.
All my LW barrels aside from one with a custom choke foul up pretty quick. They tend to be very tight. All that friction (like with slugs) leads to a lot of lead debris in the barrel.
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I just cleaned my STX-A noticed some accuracy issues, I think I ran more then two tins of pellets since last clean/polishing (my car carnauba wax)
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A "worst case" scenario might be if shooting hard alloy oversised pellets, which are fouling barrel, and then going back to soft lead JSB. I do not think the soft lead pellets will be able to push out the harder lead fouling. In my experiance it might need a proper pull with a nylon, or bronse brush first, then followed with regular patches, before going back to JSB pellets. If you shoot only the same type of pellets, you can probably shoot much longer before needing to clean. Think Matt for the most parts shoot slugs in his guns, and he might be true about his guns, doeas not need cleaning. Maybe the longer surface of the slugs work better pushing out the fouling? If the barrel is alredy fouled with hard lead, a pellet with a tiny surface against the barrel, may be stripped away of its surface, berfore being able to remove what is already there?
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I've got over 15000 shots (pellets) through my 380mm liner and have cleaned it about 4 times in total - not really because i saw a drop in accuracy, but rather sometimes I just feel "it's time". It's as good as new. I only use one pellet brand.
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I have always used JSB pellets in all my guns and I only cleaned the guns when I first received them. I shoot 10,000 + pellets a year and have not cleaned them since.......jus sayin
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