Classic break barrel recommendation please

Hi,

The short:
Please name some classic break barrels you'd recommend. I would like to use them for quick squirrel shots in the backyard. 25yards max.

The long:
After owning a PCP I figured I would not get a break barrel. But then a friend linked some video about the Beeman R9 and it just looks so neat, classic and accurate. It would be nice to have an inexpensive rifle with an inexpensive LPVO, just ready to go when needed for a quick shot. At the moment my only rifle is an FX M3. It is set up for slugs for my evening coon hunts. It is just an overkill for morning and late afternoon squirrel runs. I can change the tune quickly, but I have found I do need to zero again for bullet drop, even at 15 yards. It is not practical for a quick shot. Another .22 pellet gun would be nice. Just grab it when the opportunity comes.

I started to look. I looked at the Weihrauch HW30 and that is also super neat. Maybe top on the list. It is also on sale now. The R9 is neat of course. Also on sale. I have been looking at a Gamo break barrels too but they look modern. I usually prefer a synthetic stock, but for this rifle wood would be neat. I am sure CZ makes some too but I did not see any. I love products from the Czech and the Germans. I try to avoid products from China except if they are really good (like DJI drones) or that Air Ventury. Alternatively, I was thinking to just get that Air Ventury. It seams to be so damn accurate. But nothing classic about it. Still it would be a cheap gun to grab for a quick shot.

Thoughts please! Thanks!
 
Another great choice (if AoA still has them) is the Feinwerkbau Sport .177. That's probably my favorite medium powered, medium weight springer thats still available. The balance is perfect, the iron sights are second to none, and personally I think it looks fantastic. The trigger, while not quite a Rekord, is top notch as well. The one downside to that gun is you will have to have a new spring guide made for it. If that is out of the question, the 50S, 35E, or 95 will suite you perfectly.
 
HW85 (Beeman R10) in .20 has been a faithful servant of mine for the past 5 or 6 years. It is so smooth and reliable. Accuracy astounds me.

My Air Arms Pro Elite has recently supplanted it as my go to break barrel but that is for personal reasons, not necessarily performance ones.

I owned an old English made BSA supersport that was superb. Very light, handy and accurate.

There's so many good options you can't go wrong. AA Pro Elite, HW95, HW50, HW85, BSA Lightning/Supersport, Diana 34....go nuts brother. Get one and enjoy.
 
Hw/r9 are nice but the pricing on them now ??? Lol.. that crazy airgundepot wants 550$ for a r9.. darn things are near 65% markup in like a year .

As far as a squirrel popping woods thug i got no complaints woth my gamo for 1/2 that. And shoots just as good and .22 too boot. Honestly for a backyard squirrl popper id eye gamo outlet for the whisper fusion mach 1 .22 at $150+/-. When in stock ( they dont last long there). Now in gamo exclusive gun for nice is that hunter extreme in .22 .

Gr magnum in .22/.25 is on sale now i think. (199$ )? Thatll pit one down with a solid whop!
 
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Quite a few break barrel out there from umarex, gamo, hatsan and been some decent sales if you look or get on the mailing list for alerts...

Heck hatsan has that spitfire ? Maxfire? Pacifier? On sale in standard or magnum. Heck and on the cheap with a lot of folks liking it is that gamo rocket .22. . Then you can over pay today on a german gun like them hw/r9 are now i guess.. paying a bit more is one thing but.....lol ( that fool and his money thing). Bad time to buy hw gun in the usa in my opinion. Not at a $100-150$ markup from last..

Gamo has offered this at $219. Wood stock and all..

 
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I would get an R-9/HW95 if I could only have 1. It's probably the best all around airgun, and tuning it only makes it better. I've owned all the HW's at one time or another, and it still would be my pic for hunting because of the light weight. They are also very accurate with lead free pellets, which shoot faster and give it an extra foot pound or 2 over standard lead pellets.
Side not: I still can't believe that Weihrauch has not came out with another HW95 with a laminate stock after all these years.
 
For squirrel hunting out to 30 yards I prefer an hw50s in .177. Very accurate and plenty of power to get the job done in .177. After the hw50s, I’d go with its big brother, the hw95, also in .177.

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177 Hw50. My choice as well. They're light, handy, perfectly balanced and flat enough shooting to make easy dead squirrels out to 40 yards. Longer if you're a good shot.

Fwiw I bought a 22 Hw50 for squirrels and I found it too hard to be accurate past 25-30 yards. No fault of the rifle just my mediocre range finding and holdover skills. Inside of 25 yards I could use my 177 Hw30s just as effectively so I sold the 22 Hw50 to a friend. He loves it for squirrels.

I think a 177 Hw50 is probably the best general purpose Weihrauch. I love my Hw30s the most of all of them, but they're a little light on pesting power.
 
Personally,
For the new cost of all but the R7, you can pick up a decent FWB124D. 19 lbs to cock and generates around 800 fps in .177. The R9 is not that much more powerful and not as accurate as the 124. They're about the same size.
MTC.

Here's a blog from BB about it.

Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier


This FWB 124 Deluxe is not the exact gun I’m writing about, but it is the same model.

A history of airguns

This report covers:

The motivationWhat did I get?Now what?Why???The lessonHistoryLong stroke pistonSummary

I had planned to tear into the Beeman R8 again today, to see whether removing most of the special new grease I put in when I lubed it would improve the velocity, but I’m not at home so I can’t do that. My other plan for today was to begin telling you about another new/old airgun I found at the 2017 Findlay airgun show. That I can do, so here we go. Let’s look at an FWB 124.

The motivation

Before I begin describing the gun I want to tell you why I’m writing about yet another FWB 124. I have already written about so many of them! The last report was titled A shrine built for a Feinwerkbau 124 and ended in February of 2011. It was a 15-part report that probably turned many readers off because it went on too long. I vowed never to write about the 124 again, but that was before this year’s Findlay show.

As you recall, Pyramyd Air brought a lot of vintage airguns to the show that they acquired when they purchased a local dealer’s inventory. One of the rifles they had on the table was this 124 Deluxe that I told Tyler Patner I thought would be the first to go. I had already snatched the Beeman R8, and this 124 was an equally desirable airgun. I purposely did not buy it, wanting to give somebody else the opportunity. Well, the rifle sat on the table for three-quarters of the show, and the price was reduced several times. I even told people about it and sent them over to see it!

When I went by the Pyramyd Air tables in the early afternoon and discovered that it still was there, despite a reduced price of $250, I just bought it. I didn’t want it or need it, but when the stars align, you just make your move. My friend Mac taught me that.

What did I get?

As I mentioned, this is a 124 Deluxe, which is the rifle with sling swivels, a cheek piece and a checkered pistol grip. Other than that, there is not one iota difference between the Deluxe and Sport versions of the rifle. This rifle is an early one with a serial number below 14,000. I have owned them with numbers in the 40,000s, so this one is early. It has the black plastic trigger blade rather than the silver blade that Feinwerkbau put on later models. Personally I like the black one better and neither one affects the pull a bit, because the trigger operates through a leverage system.

I would estimate the condition is about 90 percent, but without the rifle in hand to examine that is as close as I will go. It has both the front and rear open sights, which is not that common these days. Once people start putting on scopes, the sights get lost and 124 sights are running at a premium today.

The front sling swivel was removed by some Bubba in the past. 124 swivels are for European 3/4-inch slings and Americans often replace them with one-inch straps for reasons I cannot fathom. You can’t use a hasty sling on a breakbarrel rifle, so I fail to see any advantage to a heavier strap. But the deed was done and probably cannot be reversed because of the way the front swivel attaches to the gun (it’s riveted on). They did install a quick-detachable sling swivel anchor to the barrel, which is the last place I want it. I don’t use slings anyway, so I will either remove it or just leave it alone.

Now what?

Now we test the rifle. It came out of the same shop as the R8 so there’s a chance the same grease monkey got inside and did his magic. I shot it during the filming of American Airgunner a few weeks ago, but that is all I’ve done with it. It’s at home right now while I am on the road, so we will all have to wonder a while longer.

If the rifle is stock we know that the piston seal needs replacing. FWB 124 piston seals were made from a synthetic material that always degrades over time, so there is no chance it still works today. If it was replaced (and it probably was because it does shoot), the rifle may still shoot well. The good news is that Pyramyd Air is the official Beeman dealer for all their high-end airguns and they have invested the money to recreate the 124’s piston seal in a modern synthetic material. They also stock the 124 breech seal and the super-long 124 mainspring. Those are the three items that are needed most for an overhaul. So we are living at a time when this rifle can still be rebuilt to factory specs.

Why???

The question I ask myself is why did this rifle not sell at Findlay? Since I bought it, offers for the rifle have been streaming in to me, so I know people want them. And this one was priced so much lower than what they typically sell for. Were people worried about the condition? These air rifles are so rebuildable that you almost can’t stop one. I once had just an action in the stock that I sold to a man who owned just the barrel!

The lesson

My plan for this one is to once again test it and then rebuild it. You will see how easy it can be to put one back on the road, though we don’t even know if this one needs that yet. And after I finish I guess I will hold onto this one. I’ve owned about 15 of these over my lifetime — everything from the one in the box with all the parts (see the link above) to a beater I bought for $35 and rebuilt into a fine air rifle. I always think I don’t need one and get rid of the one I have, then something comes up and I wish I had one again.

History

I’m putting the history last today, because the story of the acquisition was the most important part. I bought the rifle — not because I wanted it, but because at the low price it was selling for it needed to be bought!

The FWB 124 was an outgrowth of an earlier FWB model — the 121. Feinwerkbau made target rifles and pistols, and the 121 was their first foray into the world of sporing air rifles. This is a company whose barrels are renowned the world over. We talk a lot about Lothar Walther barrels but people only buy them because they can’t get FWB barrels. So the 121/124 had no chance of being anything but accurate.

Long stroke piston

But FWB did something exceedingly clever with this rifle. They gave it a long piston stroke. That did two things. First, it gave the rifle a forward recoil that is so pronounced that the 124 is the poster child of forward recoiling air rifles! Second, the additional swept volume of the piston generated far more power than had ever been seen. The result was an easy-cocking breakbarrel with a muzzle velocity over 800 f.p.s. at a time when 800 f.p.s. was the top threshold for air rifles. The 124 started the horsepower races we are still seeing today.

Robert Beeman was very impressed by the 124 and he touted it highly in his colorful catalogs. He made many of us want one, and I bought my first one after returning from a 4-year tour in Germany.
 
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The HW50/95 are very good choices. If you would like to go more to the traditional wooden stock type, the HW35E has checkered Walnut stock and arguably the best build quality of any barrel cocker ever built. Been being made now for some 70 years. Is larger and heavier than the two previously mentioned. Krale is the best place to get one. $425. Their sight still shows the older model but this is mine and this is how they look now. Good luck.
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