Chinese Stuff

[Kevin23]

Chinese bottles are ISO 11119-2 or ISO 11119-3 certified, which is a more stringent standard than the DOT standard. FX air guns and most other airguns I have seen, all have bottles with the ISO 11119-2 certification.

In a letter of explanation from the DOT, this is clarified:

I bought a refill bottle from China for $113.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/China-wholesale-carbon-fiber-4500-psi_60769215527.html?spm=a2700.themePage.feed.7.5307233d0dI8hD

What is stopping them from just saying its those numbers? What is the accountability if they just lie and print/stamp whatever they want on the bottles? Your lawyer isnt going to be able to track anyone down, and even if they did and the US court ruled in favor of you theres nothing that is going to make them actually pay up. Same if you get scammed out of your money by some guy in Nigeria, even if Dr. Phil tracks them down there is nothing you can do. 



For a US company, those certifications actually mean something. Even if a US company buys from China and resells under their own name, there's accountability so you can be sure theres actual quality control checks... Buy US when it comes to HPA



By the way your statement of "rated higher than fx and other companies", if its too good to be true it probably is.

 

[heavy-impact]

What is stopping them from just saying its those numbers? What is the accountability if they just lie and print/stamp whatever they want on the bottles? Your lawyer isnt going to be able to track anyone down, and even if they did and the US court ruled in favor of you theres nothing that is going to make them actually pay up. Same if you get scammed out of your money by some guy in Nigeria, even if Dr. Phil tracks them down there is nothing you can do. 



For a US company, those certifications actually mean something. Even if a US company buys from China and resells under their own name, there's accountability so you can be sure theres actual quality control checks... Buy US when it comes to HPA

By the way your statement of "rated higher than fx and other companies", if its too good to be true it probably is.

U.S Customs and Boarder Protection should handle this. Once the offender is in their database everything entering the USA with their name on it will be inspected.

 

[boscoebrea]

so it was said of Japanese before....only way to find out is research,oh I remember Turkish air guns were no good either..

French cars....I did some research,my hobby btw....there are many things made in China that can offer superior quality,of course it was designed some other place.....What happened for those in the know= China invested in up to date and high quality machinery ,They can make whatever quality you want and help you reach your goals of producing top tier....

Price points,many items have price points to be able to fit in range that are attractive to different buyers.

Sometimes I think Wink Van Winkle finally woke up and too his amazement fought out "things" are not as they used to be....

never-the-less it is always best to do research...one thing that did not,"the nicer the nice the higher the cost"....

 

[Odoyle]

I have to state that I have an Aliexpress Acecare bottle for a couple of months that I haven't even used yet that looks like someone (like a child) Xeroxed copied another 2nd printed copy (2nd print copy of a copy of a copy) of a label on a piece of paper and used a scissors to cut the label crooked and laminate it to the bottle. Kinda blurry so it must be a 3rd or 4th generation copy laminated to the bottle that a scissors was used from a kid or a really drunk factory worker.

 

[Odoyle]

What do you call a Chinese Billionaire?

CHA CHING!

 

[sasquatch]

Not sure why race have to do with airguns. But since we on the topic of Chinese tanks.

No one mentioned race. Chinese (of China) is a nationality not a race and China is made up of many different ethnicities. Same applies for other countries such as Mexico. Many people think "Mexican" is a race but it is not, it's a nationality. People confusing race with nationality has caused lots of undue hard feelings. Many people think of Africa as a country rather than a continent when it's a great many different countries and is the most ethnically diverse continent on earth.

I guess each have their own opinion. But Chinese mean the Chinese ppl from china. Mexican mean the Mexican ppl from Mexico. Call it race or ethnicity or national. It all is just a word use to describe a group of ppl.

If you can't call it Chinese products what the hell can you call it if it was made in China? Asian? Not very descriptive. Race doesn't have anything to do with it as much as quality and standards and the originating nation. 



Under this context you are incorrect. This context of Chinese means - originating from China. There are no slurs , innuendos or shady remarks against people here.



If something was made in Mexico then it can be referred to Mexican (Hecho in Mexico). I am Mexican (partially) and that is not a racist statement. It is a reference to the nation where it was made, not a derogatory reference to someone's ethnic make-up. 

Anyone with a good grasp on the English language understands when there are clear ethnic slurs going on and nothing of the sort has happened here as far as I have seen.

 

[FelixS]

Chinese bottles are ISO 11119-2 or ISO 11119-3 certified, which is a more stringent standard than the DOT standard. FX air guns and most other airguns I have seen, all have bottles with the ISO 11119-2 certification.

In a letter of explanation from the DOT, this is clarified:

I bought a refill bottle from China for $113.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/China-wholesale-carbon-fiber-4500-psi_60769215527.html?spm=a2700.themePage.feed.7.5307233d0dI8hD

What is stopping them from just saying its those numbers? What is the accountability if they just lie and print/stamp whatever they want on the bottles? Your lawyer isnt going to be able to track anyone down, and even if they did and the US court ruled in favor of you theres nothing that is going to make them actually pay up. Same if you get scammed out of your money by some guy in Nigeria, even if Dr. Phil tracks them down there is nothing you can do. 



For a US company, those certifications actually mean something. Even if a US company buys from China and resells under their own name, there's accountability so you can be sure theres actual quality control checks... Buy US when it comes to HPA



By the way your statement of "rated higher than fx and other companies", if its too good to be true it probably is.

"What is stopping them from just saying its those numbers? "

What is stopping any company from doing anything, here or abroad? Quite rhetorical, no?

What is the accountability if they just lie and print/stamp whatever they want on the bottles?

See reply above.

Your lawyer isnt going to be able to track anyone down, and even if they did and the US court ruled in favor of you theres nothing that is going to make them actually pay up. Same if you get scammed out of your money by some guy in Nigeria, even if Dr. Phil tracks them down there is nothing you can do.

Now your rhetoric is founded on your false narrative.

For a US company, those certifications actually mean something. Even if a US company buys from China and resells under their own name, there's accountability so you can be sure theres actual quality control checks... Buy US when it comes to HPA

I happen to do business with SGS, who happens to be the testing firm that certifies the bottles. They are solid.

" By the way your statement of: "rated higher than fx and other companies", if its too good to be true it probably is. "

I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion, I never said that. What I said is that FX and some other companies have the ISO certification which is more stringent than DOT.

My point is that there are options. It's OK with me that you disagree, but your comments begged a response.

 

[sasquatch]

The likely reason "Cylinders that are fully compliant with ISO 11119-2 do not require DOT-SP or CA approval" is because they are inherently built to the higher ISO standard. One way to put it.



If you buy from a reputable source, then their butt is on the line for the standards of the equipment they sell in the US market. So if someone is selling materials made outside of the US then they have liability to the products they sell. So I don't buy these kind of products from Amazon, AliExpress or eBay unless the dealer is a reputable US company. Someone making ISO standard claims and shipping from outside the US and which does not have a US business presence could be a red flag for me.