Thank you for that information! I have always read that a springer does not do worth a darn in cold temps.
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Came to a conclusion today.
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Yes, I read it that springers were temp sensitive, and should not be left cocked long. I have only been "airgunning" for a few years now, and am still learning.
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They are to a certain extent but not enough not to use them in the cold! Usually wanna check your zero before hunting because it could change slightly.
And with gas rams the heat seems to effect them more than cold! At least with the Theoben's I've owned. Still have an Evolution in .177 and in 90+ degrees it shoots quite a bit hotter than usual!
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There a lot of myths and old wive's tales that have been floating around for ages around airgun communities. We have Beeman and Gaylord to thank for more than a couple of them....
Don't believe everything you read, do your own experiments and keep learning and having fun. We are all still learning about airguns, if we weren't we wouldn't have anything to talk about!
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Did some more shooting at 25 yds 10shot group This HW 97 shoots as good as my AA s510 pcp
https://i.postimg.cc/K8WFWcs8/New-Group.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/K8WFWcs8/New-Group.jpg
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I wish I had someone close who owned one so I could try it. Considering the cost factor, and my limited experience with springers/NP airguns, I'll stick with PCP or multi-pumps.
The one thing I MUST have is a "quiet" gun. Springers/NP guns are usually loud enough just because of the mechanics. Let alone what comes out of the muzzle.
Then again, the only "springers" I have owned were a Crosman Fire (loud and hard for me to be accurate with) and a Crosman V350 (BB) long ago. I was pretty accurate with the V350, but I was a LOT YOUNGER! Also, I could actually SEE the BB as it flew. Made aiming corrections easy, if I got a second shot. (smile)
P.S.
I did make a DIY noise reducer for the Fire that worked quite well. I could finally actually HEAR the pellet when it hit and the tree rats didn't scatter like they did without it. (grin)
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You can enjoy a springer for what it is. They can be very accurate with practice, some easier to master than others. If you are taking critters use the easiest gun that you can shoot accurately. If that is a pcp then I say use it and leave the spring guns for whacking inanimate objects. I just sat down today with my HW97K and smacked steel eggs from 25ish to 45ish yards. It was so fun and simple. No filling the gun with air, it has that satisfying KA-chunk sound when. Fired with that little jump from the spring. It's just one of those things that is very satisfying.I really wish I could like springers/NP airguns. Fact is I like to hit what I am aiming at and I can do that MUCH easier with PCP or multi-pump airguns.
Nothing against springers/NP airguns or the fans of them. I just like to hit my target consistently without a lot of fuss.
Having said that, I am considering a springer (not NP) for a SHTF gun. Simply because all I need is pellets to use it.
If you ever do venture to try one again, try the very forgiving HW30S. It's very easy to shoot well and it's accurate with the right pellets. Mine in 177 likes the 7.3 JSBs and my 22 cal HW30S likes the H&N FTTS in 14.6 grain and 5.53 head size.
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Boy .... all's I'd need is a good cup of coffee and I'd shoot your Beeman HW97 in that range all day
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I shoot my TX200HC all year round for FT. In summer, the temperature gets well into the 90s and our winter matches are shot in temperatures as low as 10-15 degrees. The gun actually shoots a little faster in the cold and a little slower when it is real hot. In my experience, the scope is a bigger concern than my TX. Scopes can shift dramatically with temperature extremes. I find my Premier modified Leupolds shift less due to temperature than any other scope I own.
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I definitely felt more confident shooting a springer over a gas Ram. My AZ triggered tuned springer R9 is just so nice to shoot.
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You should come down again and throw some lead!Boy .... all's I'd need is a good cup of coffee and I'd shoot your Beeman HW97 in that range all day
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Steel spring over gas piston every time. Steel is real.
I know every one of my gas pistons will eventually fail. A couple already have. Finding a replacement spring for a ten year old gun or even a twenty year old gun is not that hard. Imagine trying to find a replacement gas piston in twenty years.
I know every one of my gas pistons will eventually fail. A couple already have. Finding a replacement spring for a ten year old gun or even a twenty year old gun is not that hard. Imagine trying to find a replacement gas piston in twenty years.
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the courses are the same ,pcp or springer and the scores are same also just different power plants
across the pond ALL rifles are under 12 FPE so it is the same competitions mixed pcp and springer
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The courses are the same, but PCP does not compete against springers. They are separate classes. On occasion, if there are not enough spring shooters, you may be bumped to the next, more difficult class, which could be a PCP class.
I have a Steyr and a TX200HC. It is my choice to shoot the TX most, but I have to admit, for me it is much easier shooting the Steyr.
I have a Steyr and a TX200HC. It is my choice to shoot the TX most, but I have to admit, for me it is much easier shooting the Steyr.
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Regarding thermodynamics, very true! As gases increase in temperature thier potential energy per unit mass (specific enthalpy) increases. Compresing a gas increases the temperature becuase you put WORK into the compression. If the initial gas temperature is higher to start with, the final temperature will be largely proportionally higher as well. When a volume of gas with higher total enthalpy is suddenly expanded (as in a gas ram airgun), more energy is extracted from the expansion than with a lower temperature gas.
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