I have the socks and pants from Amazon and the vest came from Costco for winter shooting. Crow
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N/A Break barrel for Survival Hunting Bugout
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Full transparency, I didn't read all 4 pages. 
So, IMHO, in a long term SHTF situation...
- the more complex the weapon, the more prone it is to failure and repair is likely to be impossible.
- modern weapons require modern ammunition which is limited in supply and replenishment is questionable at best.
The solution, again IMHO, is to go "primitive", no batteries required...
- learn how to make and use a bow and arrows, the technology has been around forever. Natural materials can be used, modern "scrap" can be incorporated. (Window glass can be napped into very sharp tools and arrow points).
- learn how to make effective traps and snares. They "hunt" for you 24/7.
- learn and practice primitive skills like foraging, fire making, and other stuff like that.
My friends and I used to practice emergency survival skills regularly. Ever spent a mid winter night (without camping gear) in the bush?
Cordage/rope is one of the first things you miss having to make shelter and stuff. Fortunately it's easy to make... if you know how and where to find the right materials.
Speculating on which airgun would be the best survival tool is interesting (and fun) but there's lots of other things (like clean water) to think about.
Sorry, just being practical
Cheers!
So, IMHO, in a long term SHTF situation...
- the more complex the weapon, the more prone it is to failure and repair is likely to be impossible.
- modern weapons require modern ammunition which is limited in supply and replenishment is questionable at best.
The solution, again IMHO, is to go "primitive", no batteries required...
- learn how to make and use a bow and arrows, the technology has been around forever. Natural materials can be used, modern "scrap" can be incorporated. (Window glass can be napped into very sharp tools and arrow points).
- learn how to make effective traps and snares. They "hunt" for you 24/7.
- learn and practice primitive skills like foraging, fire making, and other stuff like that.
My friends and I used to practice emergency survival skills regularly. Ever spent a mid winter night (without camping gear) in the bush?
Cordage/rope is one of the first things you miss having to make shelter and stuff. Fortunately it's easy to make... if you know how and where to find the right materials.
Speculating on which airgun would be the best survival tool is interesting (and fun) but there's lots of other things (like clean water) to think about.
Sorry, just being practical
Cheers!
your exactly spot on.. I have several knives from cold steel and they are the best in my experience.. but as to your post, one that was always on the pack horse seemed like a crude knife, very strong but black finish and the handle was part of the blade bent around in a taper so you could use a straight stick and whittle to like a push broom type taper and put it on, I think it had a hole for a retaining screw if you were making it into a spear..Full transparency, I didn't read all 4 pages.
So, IMHO, in a long term SHTF situation...
- the more complex the weapon, the more prone it is to failure and repair is likely to be impossible.
- modern weapons require modern ammunition which is limited in supply and replenishment is questionable at best.
The solution, again IMHO, is to go "primitive", no batteries required...
- learn how to make and use a bow and arrows, the technology has been around forever. Natural materials can be used, modern "scrap" can be incorporated. (Window glass can be napped into very sharp tools and arrow points).
- learn how to make effective traps and snares. They "hunt" for you 24/7.
- learn and practice primitive skills like foraging, fire making, and other stuff like that.
My friends and I used to practice emergency survival skills regularly. Ever spent a mid winter night (without camping gear) in the bush?
Cordage/rope is one of the first things you miss having to make shelter and stuff. Fortunately it's easy to make... if you know how and where to find the right materials.
Speculating on which airgun would be the best survival tool is interesting (and fun) but there's lots of other things (like clean water) to think about.
Sorry, just being practical
Cheers!
but be aware of your get a cold steel knife you have to get a diamond sharpening stone.. they hold a razor edge at least 4x a regular knife.. I have personally used my folder to open bales of hay that were baled with wire.. and still only sharpen once a month..
you hit on pretty much all the survival things that I believe are important.. pack a good ceramic water filter..katyden I think is the name of the one we carried.. good looking water will definitely make you very sick, so if not filtered your in a mess.. the reason for the ceramic filter is it's Field washable and it doesn't contaminate the output water even if washing in dirty water.. and you can literally filter dirty water if that's all that's available..
fire starting in the winter when everything is wet is a must know skill or just plan on freezing to death..
pyramid air is selling the cold steel knifes now..I got a cheap Walmart diamond stone years ago and it is as good as new. cold steel will wear a regular stone down to nothing and still be dull.
here's a good example of a seasoned mountain man making a stupid mistake.. yes that's me.. went on a horse day ride on a supposed to be good trail.. got to the bottom of the canyon with a few horse injuries because it was a terrible trail on slick rock and not a single place to turn around.. used vet wrap on the injury's.and at the bottom of the trail was a sign saying not recommended for stock!! so took the return trail, was a loop and was better but almost lost my horse on a switch back because the switch back failed and my horse I was leading slid down two switchback on his rump sitting down digging in but he was fine, good old fella.. we made it back out to the top was getting dark.. and less than half a mile away from the truck and trailer and camp ground but it got so dark and there's a canyon between that we had to cross a bridge.. so dark my best horse stopped..I couldn't see my hand in front of my face.. he parked face against the tree.. tied up the string of horses..yes warm summer day.. didn't think, didn't pack a coat.. cigarette lighter for starting a fire wasn't in my pocket, but I could easily see the campfire across the canyon.. we unsaddled the horses.. laid down next to each other tightly and put the wet stinky horse blankets on and the saddles across our feet for warmth.. got below freezing that night.. shivering the whole night.. as soon as it got light enough to barely see saddled up and and only about 15 minutes ride to the truck..oh and only food was outr sack lunch we ate at noon so your all thinking about this topic, I hope you learned something from my stupidity.. and I risked 4 people life's including mine just out of poor planning
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To me, the whole idea of bugging out in an emergency without a known and prepared destination is extremely dubious, particularly if the place you’re bugging out to is just “the wilderness”. Most wilderness areas either aren’t very hospitable or aren’t really wilderness. If you haven’t done it lately, and you live in a northern state or Canada try camping sometime for 4 or 5 days in the wintertime. Even in a campground, with a vehicle, bathrooms and plenty of food, it can be tough. Out in the wilderness, it’s harder. I spent 4 days over the MLK day weekend up in the Olympic mountains last year and although I was trying to have the most comfortable experience I could and had brought all kinds of things like propane heaters and large camp chairs it was still seriously cold and the ground was frozen the entire time.
Now imagine doing that for months on end. If you’re on medications, well they probably ran out a month ago. Your food supply is low and you’re eating things like dandelion roots and ketchup. The animals are scarce and extremely wary since they’ve become used to being hunted. If you hear vehicles or other people you don’t know if they’re friendly or not and even though it’s cold you have to be careful with your fire to avoid attracting attention.
Like somebody mentioned early on in this thread, most people doing this will be dead within a year.
If you’re planning on bugging out you really should have a destination in mind, plenty of supplies and you need to get there in advance so that someone else doesn’t get there first. Better yet, have somewhere to go that’s half a world away from whatever it is that you are fleeing.
Now imagine doing that for months on end. If you’re on medications, well they probably ran out a month ago. Your food supply is low and you’re eating things like dandelion roots and ketchup. The animals are scarce and extremely wary since they’ve become used to being hunted. If you hear vehicles or other people you don’t know if they’re friendly or not and even though it’s cold you have to be careful with your fire to avoid attracting attention.
Like somebody mentioned early on in this thread, most people doing this will be dead within a year.
If you’re planning on bugging out you really should have a destination in mind, plenty of supplies and you need to get there in advance so that someone else doesn’t get there first. Better yet, have somewhere to go that’s half a world away from whatever it is that you are fleeing.
after living in the high Sierra mountains most of my life, camping, backpacking and horse packing.. id give the average person a week out in the woods bugging out.. doubt most would make it a month..a year.. well that's only if they have a cabin hidden out in the woods that people won't notice and plenty of supplies.. I don't see any regular people making it very long, especially in the winter..it can be brutal..
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The Indians would find a bone that had a natural formed circle shape in it , and push long branches through it to make arrows that would roll perfect on a smooth flat surface. You can the bestest bow in the world , but it won't shoot a crooked arrow straight , but you can have a bow made from a tree limb that will shoot that straight arrow deadly accurate. When I was 10 took a NRA survival course at school , and learned people die on top of what can keep them alive hair is one thing it's made of protein , but hope never to have to eat it but would not mind eating hare. Lol. The reason for the brake barrel is a simple survival tool , and if you run out of pellets put what you can find down the barrel. A man , and his airgun out there surviving Lol. A bow , and arrow , a sling shot will shoot a arrow too.Full transparency, I didn't read all 4 pages.
So, IMHO, in a long term SHTF situation...
- the more complex the weapon, the more prone it is to failure and repair is likely to be impossible.
- modern weapons require modern ammunition which is limited in supply and replenishment is questionable at best.
The solution, again IMHO, is to go "primitive", no batteries required...
- learn how to make and use a bow and arrows, the technology has been around forever. Natural materials can be used, modern "scrap" can be incorporated. (Window glass can be napped into very sharp tools and arrow points).
- learn how to make effective traps and snares. They "hunt" for you 24/7.
- learn and practice primitive skills like foraging, fire making, and other stuff like that.
My friends and I used to practice emergency survival skills regularly. Ever spent a mid winter night (without camping gear) in the bush?
Cordage/rope is one of the first things you miss having to make shelter and stuff. Fortunately it's easy to make... if you know how and where to find the right materials.
Speculating on which airgun would be the best survival tool is interesting (and fun) but there's lots of other things (like clean water) to think about.
Sorry, just being practical
Cheers!
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The Black bunker BM8 is advertised as a survival tool I'm going to check it out in reviews ect
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