I'm looking for that break barrel that would be easy to brake , easy to carry , and strong enough to take a rabbit humanly , and also have that minute of squirrel accuracy.
N/A Break barrel for Survival Hunting Bugout
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Diana 34,350 or not brake barrel 360? I think under lever..or if you want something much better Diana 48 in 22, Diana 54..
hopefully you are doing well and I hope you got your tanks filled and it all worked out..
saw a scary post, someone hated his fill probe and took the block to a machine shop and had both sides threaded.. hooked up to one side and started filling,I think around 3000 PSI the plug on the other side blew out of the block putting a hole through the wall in the house.. so he took it to a shop and had that side tig welded shut.. less than 3000 PSI and it exploded out along with a chunk and went through the couch and wall.. and now he can't even get a replacement block from hatsan for his gun..
I'm very glad no one was injured.. high pressure air can easily turn things into projectiles..
hope you are doing well..
stay safe
your friend Mark
hopefully you are doing well and I hope you got your tanks filled and it all worked out..
saw a scary post, someone hated his fill probe and took the block to a machine shop and had both sides threaded.. hooked up to one side and started filling,I think around 3000 PSI the plug on the other side blew out of the block putting a hole through the wall in the house.. so he took it to a shop and had that side tig welded shut.. less than 3000 PSI and it exploded out along with a chunk and went through the couch and wall.. and now he can't even get a replacement block from hatsan for his gun..
I'm very glad no one was injured.. high pressure air can easily turn things into projectiles..
hope you are doing well..
stay safe
your friend Mark
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oh and the lightest is the 34 and I forgot to mention the Diana 350..
I'd recommend 22 as it handles wind better
Mark
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Don't do a nitro piston ime. I thought they were fine and performed rather nicely till my trail np degassed on a good friend after we did a trade. Two other friends that have them are fine, no issues. But it would be your luck in a survival food situation that it degasses. Best of luck on your selection process.
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Hatsan 25 pistol in 22 cal. Mine shoots accurately to take a squirrel or rabbit at 20 yards. Mine shoots 14.3-grain pellets at 550 fps. Inexpensive. Hard to cock.
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I have found most break barrels heavy for a bug out. Might as well use 22lr with subsonics. HW 30 would work. However If i was to bug out with an air rifle it would be an old sheridan. The sheridan is very lightweight and accurate and will last a very long time. The only downside is you have to pump it
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Ok, so we're talkin' "bug out gun", right?
So, we want enough power for rabbits and squirrels at springer ranges. Id say that 40 yards or closer is where the odds of a clean kill are at their highest for an average experienced shooter.
We don't want too much weight. We don't want it too big and cumbersome and we definitely DO want to be able to purchase a couple each of new springs, piston and breech seals to have on hand and the ability to takedown and reassemble without a spring compressor or any special tools. You want the best quality gun with which you can be confident that with those few spare parts and the knowledge of how to change them out, that the gun, in all likelihood, will survive you and be shooting just as well in your grandkids hands someday.
You want an HW50S.
Bonus: the Rekord trigger has been called countless times, the finest sporting trigger that you will find on any piston powered sporting gun.
Solid, plenty of power, and VERY accurate. Personally, Id prefer a .22 cal. However, many very good arguments can be made for the .177 First to mind is the fact that
In a bug out situation, the lighter weight and less volume of an equal number of .177 compared to .22 would certainly be desirable.
Anyway The 50S is, in my mind, about as close as one can get to the ideal " bug out springer. ".
So, we want enough power for rabbits and squirrels at springer ranges. Id say that 40 yards or closer is where the odds of a clean kill are at their highest for an average experienced shooter.
We don't want too much weight. We don't want it too big and cumbersome and we definitely DO want to be able to purchase a couple each of new springs, piston and breech seals to have on hand and the ability to takedown and reassemble without a spring compressor or any special tools. You want the best quality gun with which you can be confident that with those few spare parts and the knowledge of how to change them out, that the gun, in all likelihood, will survive you and be shooting just as well in your grandkids hands someday.
You want an HW50S.
Bonus: the Rekord trigger has been called countless times, the finest sporting trigger that you will find on any piston powered sporting gun.
Solid, plenty of power, and VERY accurate. Personally, Id prefer a .22 cal. However, many very good arguments can be made for the .177 First to mind is the fact that
In a bug out situation, the lighter weight and less volume of an equal number of .177 compared to .22 would certainly be desirable.
Anyway The 50S is, in my mind, about as close as one can get to the ideal " bug out springer. ".
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I'd probably agree. IMO the 50 is about as close as you can get to an ideal springer, period. My preference is 177 because of my poor rangefinding skills.
The 50 isn't my favorite springer but if i was only able to have one, that's it. Imo it's the best all around air rifle in the Weihrauch line. I can't speak of other lines. I have lots of W springers but it's the only one I'll carry into to the woods for squirrels.
I don't buy into the whole Armageddon bug thing because there would be lots of other considerations that would make any air rifle a poor choice as your only rifle. BUT if you're hiding from the law or camping the 50 is a fine choice.
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That is one scary story . Some people think because it is made out of (any) metal it will survive any thing
EDIT I would suggest a HW50 to answer the OP question .
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IMHO, low-power .177 cals are for the well-fed times when you have the option of staying home close to the fridge, or going out for some huntin' recreation. Having pristine optics, taking your sweet rested time for those shake-free brain shots, level blood sugar and all.
In a survival type situation, you'll go hungry, likely cold and stressed into the woods to get food in your belly. Optics on springers are a total liability when no replacements & leasurely sighting ins are available. A survival / bug out spring gun needs to have the power to take down all kinds of animals, up to the biggest small game, and do so with iron sights, quick offhand shots and body hits.
A sturdy 20 fpe .22 cal beats a HW50 and such fair and square under hard conditions. In my experience, 20 fpe in .22 cal is a threshold where the bigger small game (with winter fur) yields to a pellet gun, with easy-to-make body shots, out to 50, 60 yards. The same gun will be a really handy 20-yard squirrel gun. Been there.
A HW80K would fit the bill, as would a 350 Mag, as far as breakbarrels currently in production go. I'd likely opt for a K barrel on the 350, as well, for portability and pointability. A good specimen of H95 could work, too, for lot less money.
In a survival type situation, you'll go hungry, likely cold and stressed into the woods to get food in your belly. Optics on springers are a total liability when no replacements & leasurely sighting ins are available. A survival / bug out spring gun needs to have the power to take down all kinds of animals, up to the biggest small game, and do so with iron sights, quick offhand shots and body hits.
A sturdy 20 fpe .22 cal beats a HW50 and such fair and square under hard conditions. In my experience, 20 fpe in .22 cal is a threshold where the bigger small game (with winter fur) yields to a pellet gun, with easy-to-make body shots, out to 50, 60 yards. The same gun will be a really handy 20-yard squirrel gun. Been there.
A HW80K would fit the bill, as would a 350 Mag, as far as breakbarrels currently in production go. I'd likely opt for a K barrel on the 350, as well, for portability and pointability. A good specimen of H95 could work, too, for lot less money.
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Always interesting to read the many opinions that surface in these 'survival gun' threads.
I'd take the gun that I currently have the most confidence in as a hunter, my hw50s in .177. I do appreciate that my diet would consist of nothing larger than birds, squirrels and rabbits.
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I'd take the gun that I currently have the most confidence in as a hunter, my hw50s in .177. I do appreciate that my diet would consist of nothing larger than birds, squirrels and rabbits.
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Your downside is actually an upside . no spring to break / replace . extremely easy to work on also. .20 is the best of both /177 and .22
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True but you won't be shooting far enough for the small difference in wind drift to matter. 22 does pack more thump but you still have to land the shot in the first place. I had Hw50s in both 177 and 22 at the same time. I couldn't land the 22 as good as the 177. I sold the 22 to someone that could. It's a personal thing. Someone with better rangfinding skills will be fine with the 22. Arguments like these are never settled because people have different needs, skills and situations. Get what you want and if it's wrong for you try something else. That's what I did and I'm sharing here. What might be right for me might not be for you.
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so,,, the "
for Survival Hunting Bugout"
just click bait? when what you really wanted is a hunting gun.seems so many say 'bugout survival',, but how many actually do prep and do practice exercises,,,
weight of the rifle makes a big difference as we get older,,, at least it does to me, my HW 50 in 20 cal is my back yard plinker,
I use pcp for hunting/pesting, as I am much better at shooting them,
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most people think when SHTF hits they will grab "their" bug out bag and head for the deep woods, most people would suffer greatly before dyeing. possibly a year later .
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