Brand new / lots of questions

I have only shot a gun a few times at an indoor range. 9mm

someone on a gun Forum suggested an air gun for a first gun. Here I am ...

i have been starting a few hobbies this summer, so I want to invest as little as possible right now while getting my feet wet.

Can I get something cheap and ok at Dicks sporting goods , or Cabelas or online? Good very inexpensive starter pistol or rifle?

I set up a small archery shoooting area in my basement. Near ten yards. Can I shoot in my basement? What kind of backdrop would I need?

can I shoot in my backyard? I live in Pittsburgh , fenced in space but neighbors on both sides. I would shoot towards my house.

do I need a scope or red dot at short distances?

what kind of targets are used?? Cheap bulk targets online?

ate there different types of air guns? How much do the air canisters cost? How many rounds will I get?

please post links if it’s not too much trouble.

thanks so much for any guidance!!!

Todd


 
Hi Todd. Nice to have you here. Before buying at those places check with the companies that advertise here on this site. You will most likely get a better deal and better service should something go wrong. I would look for a decent spring rifle to start. You didnt say what your budget was? Having a scope for my eyes is a must so if you really want accuracy put that in your budget. Dont go for the flashy stuff. 

The canisters are CO2. they dont work so well in the Pittsburg cold outside. Will be fine inside though. Try looking at Pyramid air and airgun depot just to see what is available and in your price range. Then come back with fine tuned questions. You will get lots of good answers here. Good luck.
 
Yeppers, shooting indoors is cool. If you go .177 and a lower power rifle or pistol its definitely okay. Cheap and easy targets/pellet traps: I lean a 4ftx4ft piece of 3/4inch plywood up and then lean a 4ftx4ft piece of 2 inch thick ridged insulation over theat, then tack your paper targets onto that. the plywood is a good backstop to prevent the pellets from escaping, the insulation prevents bounce back/ricochets. i use all sorts of things for paper targets, from junk mail, old cereal boxes, old printer paper. You will find yourself shooting alot more if you arent counting $ for targets. 



There are several classes of airguns:

Springers, you cock the gun the engage a spring or gas piston, when you pull the trigger the piston releases and rapidly compresses the air shooting the pellet out. Pros: lots of options for buying, no exterior air source needed, simple/easy maintenance, some of the best prices you will find. Cons: recoil and vibration (nothing like firearms, but compared to most other airgun options springers recoil most), if you want a springer that is going to be accurate well out past the 5/10 yard range and get good groupings pony up the cash and buy quality. 

Co2: air guns that use co2 cartridges to operate. Pros, small, light, lots of options many are very affordable, some are full auto. Cons: you have to have a nice stash of co2 catridges and pellets to play, usually lower fps, mainly for target practice and plinking.

Multi pumps: a gun that has an onboard pump that you pump multiple times to fill the tank with varying air pressure. Pros, fully self contained like springers with much less to no recoil, you can pump once or up to 8 times (depends on the gun) to get the power you need, makes multipumps more versitile to go from indoor plinker to outdoor rodent hunter. Cons, you have to pump multiple times for one shot, not too many options for multi pumps that i know of out there. Daisy has the corner on them, but the Seneca Dragonfly is a nice multi pump.

Single Stroke: Like the multi pump, but you only pump it once. Pros, usually very accurate and reliable. Cons: lower fps (good for indoors though), usually more costly, only good for target shooting. 

PCP: pre compressed pneumatics. these guns have an air chamber on them that you pressurize before hand and will shoot with many guns 20+ shots before refilling. Pros: very little recoil, multiple shots, can fill with a hand pump for complete independence. Cons, pcps tend to be more costly, and you need to buy extra equipment (hand pump, or air bottle that will need to be filled at a scuba shop, or a high pressure compressor) which adds to the start up cost. 

On board pump Pcps: all the benefits of pcps, with an onboard hand pump for total independance. Cons: very few buying options only two that i know of: the FX Indy is excellent but way expensive. The other is the Nova Freedom, which is comparably priced to many mid range pcps. 





So really you got to ask yourself what you want, what you can get, and what you will use. By the sounds of it a sringer or co2 will be the best go for you as they are the most cost effective, but with any airgun be ready to hunt for that right pellet, most pellet guns have a particular brand and weight of pellet it likes. North American Pellet Swap is a good facebook group to trade out pellets to land a variety of pellets without dropping lots on a bunch of ammo that your gun doesn't like. 



My personal recommendations for particular guns are:

pcp: benjamin marauder pistol (woods walker) an excellent mid range/starter pcp, that has a good trigger, good accuracy, compact, lots of aftermarket parts so you can upgrade it as you fall deeper into the sport ;) 

Springer; i own a HW30S in .177 accurate and a great gun, almost everyone will agree with it, but you will be looking around $300. Krale airsports is base in europe and has some of the better prices on the Weihrauch springers, but Pyramyd air is competitive with their pricing on the HW30s in particular.

Single stroke: the Daisy 753S Match Grade Avanti for rifle, i own the Chiappa FAS 6004 (pistol .177) and love it, it's one of my favorites



Most of those are in the 300-400 range, there are plenty of break barrel springers out there for less. If you are going cheaper with springers i would recommend going for an under lever. the advantage to break barrels is they are easier to load, but you are moving the barrel everytime and that is why i bought the Weihrauch for a break barrel, pay for quality. 

definitely shop online, the selection is too good to do anything else. I have been extremely happy shopping with Pyramyd Air. Krale has also been good to me, and TP3 Ranch by Thurmond Moore (look for link on the forms scrolling banner, blue circle with a bull sketch) has gotten me some good deals and a great guy to work with. 

hope some of that helps




 
Welcome Todd!

Shooting in the basement or garage can be all kinds of fun and build your skills.Your backstop can be as simple as a cardboard box stuffed with something tough like old jeans. There are lots of printable targets out there online, use card stock if you need precise scoring. As to legalities in the backyard you'll need to check your local laws-in many cities airguns are considered firearms, so be informed.

For a pistol, two of my favorites are the Crosman pump-up 1377 and 1322 (the 77 and 22 refer to caliber) They're under $100 and accurate, can be modded and upgraded if you like to tinker. Dick's may have them on the shelf. Another nice inexpensive pistol is the Beeman P17 single pump pneumatic-it's around $40 and looks and handles a lot like most modern handguns.

Crittahitta is spot on in recommending a nice breakbarrel springer-just don't go for one of the super fast shooting guns, they are hard to shoot well. You can't go wrong with a German Weirauch HW30s or HW50s-they're both around $300 new but are very high quality guns that will last a lifetime. They're both on the milder side power wise which makes them easy to shoot well. AOA has killer prices on the HW guns, give them a look.

As far as pellets, Benjamin Domes or Crosman premier are some of the better big box choices along with RWS hobby wadcutters.

Airguns are a lot like potato chips, most folks will end up with more than one.....
 
An inexpensive, yet quite accurate Single Stroke Pnumatic is the Beeman P-17. It's a China-made copy of the Weihrauch HW40/Beeman P-3. By all accounts, the bugs found on its initial release have been corrected. It has an optics rail for a red dot or scope. It has fully adjustable rear sight.

I can't disagree with anyone suggesting an HW30/Beeman R-7 since it's a fantastic all day shooter. Good luck, RC
 
Todd if you go really cheap you're not going to enjoy the shooting much. I just helped a friend sight in his gamo rifle. Typical of what you would find in the local sporting goods store. The trigger on his particular gun is just awful. The gun shoots high velocity but it's really hard to shoot accurately and is way more then you need for indoors. Keep in mind as well that a pistol I think for most people a lot harder to shoot well then a rifle. The suggestion of the HW 30 is a good one. High velocity springers are hard to cock and crack fairly loudly.

You need to find a buddy of a mentor in your area who can give you some direction. There are used rifles that come up from time to time which would be a nice way to go but at this point you wouldn't know what to look for. 
 
Hey Todd, I'll throw one into the mix that seems to suit your original post (referred to around here as the "OP"): Crosman F4 shooting at 695 fps (feet per second) and sold exclusively through Walmart. I own that gun and find it extraordinarily fun to shoot. 695 fps is literally about half the speed of the usual gas spring break barrel rifles made by Crosman. By giving up that much speed and power, you gain a great deal more accuracy out to 30 yards; you can still produce sub-2 inch groups at 50 yards on a calm day... as I did this past Sunday afternoon with my F4. It is an ideal gun for indoor shooting between 10 and 12 yards. My home offers a 10 meter shooting lane from my Laundry Room => through the open door into the Garage => to the far end of the garage. Be creative and think outside the box to come up with safe shooting options. Cost right now at www.walmart.com for the Crosman F4 shooting at 695 fps and featuring a thumbhole/tactical stock is $74.99 delivered to a store near you. I think you can find free shipping to your home as well so look carefully.

DISCLAIMER: many on this forum will advise spending more money for a gun you will keep for a lifetime. They have a point - Weirauch rifles are generally exquisite and dependable. They also miss the point in your OP - you must limit your spending on any one hobby and want to "get (your) feet wet" with a decent example of a modern airgun. Not only is the Crosman F4 a fine gun, it can be a great shooter with some very simple and inexpensive modifications that require nothing more than a screw driver, some needle-nose pliers, a couple of parts from an RC Hobby store (my total cost for one gun fix: $2.50), and maybe 1/2 hour of watching YouTube videos on "The Crosman Trigger Fix". I did it, and I'm no handyman. But I am far more confident now in my ability to work on my airguns and get the best out of them, all because I bought and tuned a Crosman F4.
 
Omg!! You guys are freaking amazing !!!! 

I am going to have to reread all these in-depth responses. Wow that’s a lot of info to digest.

i am planning to do some shooting with an experienced air gun member here in the Pittsburgh area. Better to get some hands on some different guns before ai pull the trigger.

ill keep yins posted what I shoot.

my budget is super small now!!! I’m thinking under $60 for Smith and Wesson Mand P , maybe add an inexpensive red dot.

and I will need a target that collects the bb’s or shells. 

I can up my budget if I’m really loving it.

it seems like I will own a few someday.

thanks again for all the expertise and insight!!

Todd


 
the BSA pistol scope 2x20, it's about $70 at pyramyd, might be out of budget, but if you want a good pistol scope that will go nicely on any pistol now (and later), i highly recommend it, i have two. Up side to a red dot is you could put it on a pistol or a rifle, but i have a thing about scope i have to "turn on" but that's just me.

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/BSA_2x20_Pistol_Scope_Duplex_Reticle/657



good to hear you are going to meet up with a shooter and get some hands on, that is invaluable. And it may well help get your feet wet, and jump straight to saving a few extra bucks to get something you will want to keep vs. something cheap to play with and realize you like the sport and could have put that money towards what you really want. Doesn't have to be the biggest baddest most expensive gun on the market, but there is the cheap gun, the expensive gun, and then there is the right gun.
 
Omg!! You guys are freaking amazing !!!! 

I am going to have to reread all these in-depth responses. Wow that’s a lot of info to digest.

i am planning to do some shooting with an experienced air gun member here in the Pittsburgh area. Better to get some hands on some different guns before ai pull the trigger.

ill keep yins posted what I shoot.

my budget is super small now!!! I’m thinking under $60 for Smith and Wesson Mand P , maybe add an inexpensive red dot.

and I will need a target that collects the bb’s or shells. 

I can up my budget if I’m really loving it.

it seems like I will own a few someday.

thanks again for all the expertise and insight!!

Todd






the m&p would get you started,but being a "bb only" co2 pistol its not going to be very accurate,

and wont do well when the temperatures start dropping co2 does not work well in the cooler temperatures.



for your budget id really suggest either a daisy 880 pumper (i /you can do a few mods that greatly increase the accuracy)

or the 1377 pumper pistol,they are under 60 at walmart and are very accurate,

and you can add a shoulder stock and longer barrel and other mods at a later time to turn it into a rifle if you like. 



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this is the 1377 as it comes from the store.........



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and this is what mine currently looks like ☺️



got another one coming on the big brown truck today ,so im a huge ball of nerves hahaha


 
oh oh! I completely forgot about the browning buck mark. https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Browning_Buck_Mark_Air_Pistol/2745

It is a break barrel spring pistol in .177, only $45 from pyramyd, really cool pistol for plinking and target practice. Its one i wouldnt mind adding to the collecting, but i have already got what i need, but it is oh so tempting for a fun gun. People seem to be pretty happy with accuracy and jsut a fun pistol to shoot



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