Boyd stock for Avenger? Maybe.

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So I just talked to Boyds Gun Stocks about making wood stocks for the Avenger. The fellow I spoke with said they will look into it. Maybe as a factory option or as an after market product. If you're interested in getting one, call Boyds and let them know. Probably going to be in the $150 range. I think a Monte Carlo style would be best as everyone puts scopes on their Avenger. Anyway that's it for now. What do you think?

Bill.
 
Why not make your own? 

It is not difficult to make a stock especially if you have one to use as a template. It's a good winter project as well.

I suggest making a stock or two out of spruce or fir construction lumber to get a feel for the process before trying hardwood. I have made some very nice stocks from cross-grain "slices" cut off of maple and cherry firewood so it need not be an expensive project. The only power tool you need access to is a 10 inch tablesaw. 

I'm not at my computer so I can't add a picture or a link for you but if you are curious go to the Pyramyd Air blog and search for "DIY Stock". There is a 6 part series I did with all kinds of details on the subject.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to PM me. 

Cheers!

Hank 
 
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I have to agree with Banjo, I have built stocks and complete muzzle loaders and for what Boyd's charges for their stocks unless you need something to do or something special it "aint" worth it!! The cost of a blank of any decent wood or laminate to build one is more than half the cost of the Boyd's stock!! I think Boyd's is missing the boat if they don't set up to inlet for the Avenger!! The stock is the only detracting feature of the gun really!! For the price point it is VERY hard to beat!! J.L.
 
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Yeah, the stock is the first and biggest and most consistent complaint I think I'm seeing. A wood or better polymer stock would probably have a big market.

Don't laugh, but I wouldn't mind trying it as a bullpup. One of the things I don't like is the grip torques my wrist a bit, and bullpups keep the wrist more easily vertical. That makes my whole arm feel better and more natural.
 
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As many people as possible should call them, and request. If for nothing more to give more attention to airgun stocks vs PB. The only Boyd's airgun stocks I know of, are for Benjamin Mrod and disco. They haven't updated the G2 Mrod to include the FT and new semi-auto, yet.

On the technical side, the lower air tube of the Avenger would require some deep inletting, and don't know if any of their current blank styles could support that. All of which were initially designed for PB. That deep inletting may also be why NV hasn't made one yet. On the NV Liberty, there are some different parts beside just the stocks.


 
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I contacted Boyds via email and gave them what I felt was the best reason to consider making a wood stock for the Avenger. They weren't interested! Here's some of the back and forth:



I am certain you get requests all the time to make one of your gunstocks for a particular gun. I have just such a request and I'd like to make my case as I feel it is a good one. Air guns are gaining an awful lot of popularity especially since most people are limited in their ability to "get out" due to the virus. I just bought an Air Venturi Avenger, a very popular entry level air gun. It was introduced at the 2020 shot show and has been hard to get ever since due to demand. The gun has many very favorable reviews online at forums and on YouTube, but there is one constant complaint and that is the plastic stock. Another air gun that I researched and almost purchased is the Umarex Origin, it too is wildly popular and with it's low price it is selling like hot cakes. I mention this because if you look at the two very popular guns side by side, it is obvious they share the same basic design and are made by the same manufacturer. So one stock would fit two of the most popular and prolific air guns! I am including pictures of both of these guns and of one that a person made his own wooden stock for. I am asking you to please consider making a stock for this gun, I know it will sell many units for you.

We have had this Air Rifle in our plant sent directly from the Manufacturer for us to look over to see what would be involved to offer a stock for this particular model. It was determine that i would require its own shape for height and widths, so it would be a total development with tooling fees involved. Air Venturi was not yet fully prepared to get involved with tooling fees and set up charges to make these stocks. For us to offer them to the general public the interest and request numbers have to be there for us to actually make a profit on them and be able to produce them. We do not offer duplication or replication services for a one off build. This is not saying that we are not going to ever be able to offer it ,. but there is considerable more time involved when it will not fit current shapes.
Will let you know when we are able to do something.

Boyds says it will cost between $5,000 and $15,000 to design a stock, which I find hard to accept. When I asked if I covered those costs could have I have exclusivity, they said no. I sure like the Boyds stocks, have a couple myself, but I think they're way off on the cost to design and they're unwillingness to work with someone willing to cover their costs is not smart business. Still hoping someone will step up and offer us a nice wooden stock...




 
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Bill4701, Great job trying to get the stock thing rolling!! I don't understand why they think it is so "unconventional"? as It is not THAT much wider than the norm!! The double tube may create a change from the usual design but I can't imagine that with today's Cad design and CNC milling that it could be a real big problem!! But what do I know, all we can do is hope I guess!! In any case thanks for taking the time to try to get the ball rolling. J.L.
 
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" Boyds says it will cost between $5,000 and $15,000 to design a stock, which I find hard to accept. When I asked if I covered those costs could have I have exclusivity, they said no. "

Bill84701 , Man if you are willing to put up the cost of tooling and design i am SURE there are shops in the country that would take you up on that offer... But , I think what' s missing here is what would the minimum order be, supplying material , logistics , etc...

I own a machine shop and i get no less than 20 calls or emails a month from people wanting quotes on various projects . My 1st question is Always, How Many, and are you willing to pay for tooling and design. Most people have no idea what it costs to make tooling alone for the job on CNC equipment.

The reason for the " How Many " question is , lets say i have my normal base customer jobs in line that i can knock out a 50K order in a week versus that same week i make maybe 5K or so designing a new part or tooling... unfortunately its a numbers game and how hungry is the shop you are dealing with ...

Just to be very clear i am Not interested in making gun stocks.. Lol..... ( from what i have looked into there is no money in it ) 

Good Luck to you amigo !
 
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When it comes down to it, Boyds is a business. They have to make money! They already have a reputation, so putting money into tooling to make stocks is no longer an investment.. Now they are at the point where they have to cover all the costs to make the stock, or its just not worth doing at all. Their stocks are fantastic, and they have a huge reputation in the go-bang side of shooting, especially competition. If you go to a national or even high regional long range shoot, I bet 75% of people there have boyds stocks. 

Normal stocks are in the 150 range, with the high end obviously costing more... thats not a lot of profit at the end to justify throwing $15,000 up front to design the tools and programs needed to make these stocks on their machines. I cant imagine you would ever get enough owners to make it worth it, they probably need a couple thousand orders. I wish it was cheaper and possible though, theres a lot of air guns that would benefit from having a high quality stock... plus they sure are lookers. 



The avenger is only popular because its cheap. Up the price by $200 and I dont think anyone would even be talking about this gun. I'm guessing thats why air venturi wasnt interested in a partnership, they understand that the gun is a budget gun.. and as soon as another company does it better for the same price range, their sales hype is over. Look at the umarex gauntlet, just two years ago they were the MUST HAVE for budget gun. Now they discontinued the 177 and raised the price on the 22/25 and nobody even talks about them anymore. 

Look for the budget gun market to be flooded with new guns in 1.5-2 years, with the companies seeing how well the avenger went over... with even experienced shooters buying one "just to see what its all about" because of the low price and good features. Someone will find a way to get a LW barrel in there or get it into a bullpup design or something like that which will fuel this craze all over again. 

Point of my last couple ramblings there, is that there is not a likelyhood of long term attraction to the avenger so it would not be good business for Boyds to up front the costs to make stocks for it. Is not a remington 700, or savage 110, or marlin 60 where the gun will be around for another 50 years so plenty of time to sell stocks. 




 
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It was stated by Tyler Patner in a podcast or live YouTube show that they originally wanted to team with Boyd to make the stocks but due to the up and down thickness of the avenger, caused by that third air tube, Boyd’s blanks would not work. So yes it goes back to what the above member was saying. In order to do it they would have to start from scratch basically with a completely different blank. Maybe we can hope on one for the avenge x ??
 
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