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I just received my Black Wolf. .177 with 18 inch barrel, walnut stock. First "brand new" PCP. Have an awesome Red Wolf HP, amongst other used (equally awesome) rifles. Test fired a few times, seems to function well, a bit loud so will put my larger 0db moderator on it. I didn't have high enough rings to allow clearance for an Athlon Heras 56...Extra-high it is. Ordered the PRS single shot loader, arriving tomorrow, not cheap. Ordered directly from PRS, not available for delivery to the US directly from Daystate apparently.

So...my question is...have any of you tested which pellet this thing may like? I have a crap ton of .177 pellets I can try but not that much time. It was tested at AoA with "Rangemaster Emperor" 15.9g @960ish fps with the power wheel set at 15. That's not a common pellet, way heavier than I'd want. I have no problem testing pellets, I kinda enjoy that part of it but I have a huge number of options compounded by a large range power wheel. What have you guys found that this rifle likes so far? Thanks, and cheers! Rick
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RCope said:
I just received my Black Wolf. .177 with 18 inch barrel, walnut stock. First "brand new" PCP. Have an awesome Red Wolf HP, amongst other used (equally awesome) rifles. Test fired a few times, seems to function well, a bit loud so will put my larger 0db moderator on it. I didn't have high enough rings to allow clearance for an Athlon Heras 56...Extra-high it is. Ordered the PRS single shot loader, arriving tomorrow, not cheap. Ordered directly from PRS, not available for delivery to the US directly from Daystate apparently.

So...my question is...have any of you tested which pellet this thing may like? I have a crap ton of .177 pellets I can try but not that much time. It was tested at AoA with "Rangemaster Emperor" 15.9g @960ish fps with the power wheel set at 15. That's not a common pellet, way heavier than I'd want. I have no problem testing pellets, I kinda enjoy that part of it but I have a huge number of options compounded by a large range power wheel. What have you guys found that this rifle likes so far? Thanks, and cheers! RickView attachment 558471
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I have set up a BW .177 that does excellent with JSB 10.3’s at 888 FPS and 13.4’s At 815 FPS barrel Did not seem picky. Barrel is actually 17”. The quietest moderator was the Weihrauch. 960 FPS is a bit fast… try turning the power wheel down to minimum and work your way up.
check out the thread on blackwolf information
 
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Based on my experience with Daystate and their .177 17" barrel in a Red Wolf and an Alpha Wolf, I would try the following pellets as I have had extreme success out to 50 yards and more with these:
  • Benjamin Single Die 10.5gr. (great in the 880-900 range)
  • H&N Barracuda Match 10.65gr 4.50mm head size. (great in the 880-900 range)
  • Daystate 12.6gr Howler Slugs. (920-940fps works well in my Red Wolf)
 
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ctshooter said:
Based on my experience with Daystate and their .177 17" barrel in a Red Wolf and an Alpha Wolf, I would try the following pellets as I have had extreme success out to 50 yards and more with these:
  • Benjamin Single Die 10.5gr. (great in the 880-900 range)
  • H&N Barracuda Match 10.65gr 4.50mm head size. (great in the 880-900 range)
  • Daystate 12.6gr Howler Slugs. (920-940fps works well in my Red Wolf)
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Thanks! I didn't think about slugs, but I have a few I could try, but not the one mentioned. The others you mentioned I have on my short list. I was hoping it would like the JTS 10.4 or the JSB 10.3's. Cheers! I will report later after some testing.
 
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ctshooter said:
I'll be curious if you can get down to 20 fpe easily as I read another thread where AoA needed to restrict the transfer port and some other stuff to get the power down to FT range. These new Black Wolves have a powerful balanced valve and want to shoot hot.
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Yeah, the fpe with the tested pellets was 31+. I definitely don't need that kind of power since I really just want to punch paper accurately at 30 or 40 yards...
 
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Yeah, the fpe with the tested pellets was 31+. I definitely don't need that kind of power since I really just want to punch paper accurately at 30 or 40 yards...
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I completely get it. I like .177 because it is a mellow low power caliber. It's quiet and safe in the suburban back yard. I'm really interested to see how the Black Wolf performs. It's been about 1-2 months since release and very little posted on performance.

I'd be curious to see how the JTS do. They have performed well for me in two rifles which were very pellet picky.
 
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So I have an update...I was trying to minimize trial and error, and I appreciate all the help. But Karma ia a bitch. First of all, I actually have the 23 inch barrel (couldn't remember what I ordered). And when I started testing standard .177 pellets (10.4ish and 13.4ish) all I could get was FPS way over 1000...on "minimum" hammer spring setting. So I called AoA (Chris is amazing) and he sent me a white hammer spring replacement, they had a red one in the case as a backup but that is their 3rd most powerful spring (white, blue, red, etc). I also ordered some JSB 16.2's from Pyramid. The "Rangemaster" 15.9's are out of stock at AoA. The 16.2's arrived before the spring, testing revealed 885 fps with a SD of 7 and poor accuracy (still on "min"). So that's not "the one".

Got the spring, switched it out but, alas, the spring installed was the white one. It would have been nice to know that beforehand...So now I realized I have to lower the reg from 125 to something significantly less. Had to call Chris again, he has made a video but it has not uploaded yet. He gave me some advice: unscrew the regulator gauge, fully degas, tighten the reg all the way down, then increase as necessary. So that's what I did. Test firing in my garage revealed that I had to loosen the reg screw, so I did, just about a turn and a half (it moves very easy). Tested fps...still > 1000 on min. Degassed again, tightened down all the way then loosened about 3/4 turn. Finally got some 13.4ish pellets to 860ish fps. The regulator is extremely sensitive. It's at about 85 now.

So today, right before dark, I tested the JSB 13.4, JSB 13.4 RD, and AEA 13.7. All were very tight groups at 30 yards, at about 860-880 fps with much lower standard deviations. And with the Silent Thunder Sarissa moderator, I could barely even tell the shot sent. Makes for a very long set up, though. Now, when time and wind allows, I need to shoot some 30yd cards. Hopefully, my experience helps others minimize the fiddling around ;-). Cheers! Rick
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ctshooter said:
I'll be curious if you can get down to 20 fpe easily as I read another thread where AoA needed to restrict the transfer port and some other stuff to get the power down to FT range. These new Black Wolves have a powerful balanced valve and want to shoot hot.
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What AOA had to do to get <20 was use the barrel restriction they took off a non FAC BW…. Good to go.
 
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Original or Redesign? I think the Redesign like it up in the low 900s.
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Depending on your intended use but Norman’s HFT BW is grouping inside a quarter at 55 yards with 13.4 RD’s moving at 808 FPS and his 10.3’s to 10.65’s do well from 880 to 905… he hasn’t tried the 16.1’s.
 
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RCope said:
So I have an update...I was trying to minimize trial and error, and I appreciate all the help. But Karma ia a bitch. First of all, I actually have the 23 inch barrel (couldn't remember what I ordered). And when I started testing standard .177 pellets (10.4ish and 13.4ish) all I could get was FPS way over 1000...on "minimum" hammer spring setting. So I called AoA (Chris is amazing) and he sent me a white hammer spring replacement, they had a red one in the case as a backup but that is their 3rd most powerful spring (white, blue, red, etc). I also ordered some JSB 16.2's from Pyramid. The "Rangemaster" 15.9's are out of stock at AoA. The 16.2's arrived before the spring, testing revealed 885 fps with a SD of 7 and poor accuracy (still on "min"). So that's not "the one".

Got the spring, switched it out but, alas, the spring installed was the white one. It would have been nice to know that beforehand...So now I realized I have to lower the reg from 125 to something significantly less. Had to call Chris again, he has made a video but it has not uploaded yet. He gave me some advice: unscrew the regulator gauge, fully degas, tighten the reg all the way down, then increase as necessary. So that's what I did. Test firing in my garage revealed that I had to loosen the reg screw, so I did, just about a turn and a half (it moves very easy). Tested fps...still > 1000 on min. Degassed again, tightened down all the way then loosened about 3/4 turn. Finally got some 13.4ish pellets to 860ish fps. The regulator is extremely sensitive. It's at about 85 now.

So today, right before dark, I tested the JSB 13.4, JSB 13.4 RD, and AEA 13.7. All were very tight groups at 30 yards, at about 860-880 fps with much lower standard deviations. And with the Silent Thunder Sarissa moderator, I could barely even tell the shot sent. Makes for a very long set up, though. Now, when time and wind allows, I need to shoot some 30yd cards. Hopefully, my experience helps others minimize the fiddling around ;-). Cheers! Rick
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Try the Weihrauch moderator… amazing
 
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Try the Weihrauch moderator… amazing
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Hi Rick,

Looking forward to seeing your new .177 Blackwolf up on our 30-Yard Challenge leaderboards soon.

I tend to agree with Cavedweller in that you may want to utilize Daystate’s transfer port restrictor in your .177 BW. The reason is that your regulator will not be operating in an optimal place with a 85-90bar setting and fill pressures of 200bar+ pushing on it.

God knows Daystate must have millions of brass transfer port restrictors lying around, lol - they tend to stick them in all their rifles and utilize high reg pressures to balance it - at least in rifles prior to the BW.

Finally, the Weihrauch or Huma Mod30 would be a nice sized mod for your .177 BW. Here is a good place to source the Weihrauch. UK based but shipping is reasonable and you don’t pay UK VAT - so you get it cheaper than if you lived next door to them jn the UK.

www.airgunspares.com

Weihrauch 1/2" UNF Moderator

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