Been seeing more great 100 yard groups

It seems that there are a lot more PCP air rifles capable of good groups. It is great to see. My experience is with .222 and Anschutz.22 I think eventually I will sell and get a 100-yard capable PCP. First, I'm going to see how far my Marauder FT. .22 can shoot, it's dead on at 30 yards. I will need to go elsewhere to get it farther out...
 
just watched the RMAC 2025 video . watching the high power long distance guys bouncing around with recoil that looked like they were shooting .223 or 30 30 's powder burners .
always thought about getting a airforce Texan in 308.. watching that video convinced me to stay with 22 caliber.. plus a lot of additional time on the compressor.. I noticed that a lot on my Condor.. shoot 14 grain pellets turned down and tons of shots.. ran low on air fairly quickly with 40 grain slugs..

odd note.. I shot it on medium power with 25 grain pellets and then 34 grain JSB beasts..air went up noticable.. but went to 40 grain slugs and WOW lots less shots per fill..at the same sitting.. I'm guessing that the heavy slugs are holding the valve open longer.
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More difficult than with a 22lr…..I guess if referring to a good quality 22 lr shooting match ammunition. In my experience my 10/22 or savage mk2 with CCI standard are not easier to group good at 100 than my pcp guns.
100 is "fairly simple" with a Anschutz bench .22 compared to either of those guns . (using CCI standard .22 )
 
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With a little monkeying, even the most unlikely of PCPs can post astounding groups at 100 yards-

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My gun club is dating back somewhere from 50's and was built and further developed around powder burners.
The landscape is difficult, the shooting lanes are like deep valleys between tree lanes,
the wind is changing direction all around above the tree crown, and mostly coming inside the valley from above branches.
For shooting pcp @ both my 50 M and 100 M ranges is not simple, and mostly is just a guess work.
Some days even my W308 have difficulties to group well @ 300 M.
I have couple wind flags and I have learned these all useless but fun to watch, and no need to get emotional :)
 
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Although probably not the best posted here on AGN, this is the “art of the possible” at 105Y with PCP slug gun shooting the BEST, most ACCURATE slugs currently available. @Altaros is currently state of the art in PCP slugs. This is the .25 @Altaros Queen 60 grain at 880 fps. Gun was @Skout-airguns Evo with @athlon_oved Cronus scope. Two five-shot groups under 1/2 MOA and the third at 1/2 MOA. Wind swirly L-R at about 6-8 mph gusts to 12. I’m getting about 0.245 to 0.250 BC G1.

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My 55 yard lane is mostly sheltered and often the flags hang still in spite of what is happening in the tree tops. I'm currently extending this lane to 65 yards.

My 128 yard lane crosses a swampy area with about 50 yards exposed to winds funneled between the two areas of higher ground. Makes for some interesting shooting.

Planning on getting into the longer range (for me) shooting this year.

It's encouraging to see the groups shown above, gives me a point of reference.

Cheers!
 
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It seems that there are a lot more PCP air rifles capable of good groups. It is great to see. My experience is with .222 and Anschutz.22 I think eventually I will sell and get a 100-yard capable PCP. First, I'm going to see how far my Marauder FT. .22 can shoot, it's dead on at 30 yards. I will need to go elsewhere to get it farther out...
Best to go straight to slugs or use lot tested expensive 22rf ammo. My Anschutz 1827F Fortner 22rf using higher quality ammo is pretty much the same in precision as my Thomas HPX with 42gr slugs. It depends on the day which shoots better which is just over MOA at 100Y.

With pellets in that HPX even when it shot it's best using 22 cal 25.4gr MRD's it would shoot a 2.5" group then a .5" group so kind of went like that at around 1.5 MOA average in "very light wind". Once with this combo I got a 244 on a EBR practice card so about as precise as it gets using pellets. It was set for 65-ish fpe.
Much of it is .142 BC slug vs .05 BC pellet. This is why I don't often shoot pellets at 100Y.

Last two weeks I shot 5 pcp rifles from 6 fpe to 49 fpe, three dedicated for pellets, and two for slugs. With 30 fpe using pellets at 100Y it gets a bit silly and reminded how it's pretty much a waste of ammo at 100Y. Basically mostly missed a 3" steel using pellets and hardly missed using the 49 fpe slugger. It's in the wind, like 4-8 mph, using a .035 BC 18gr pellet vs .18 BC 32.2gr slug, even though the slugger isn't hugely more powerful, well half that of 22rf. Actually the 18gr pellet is 50 fps faster.

BTW 22rf standard velocity is around 103 fpe.
 
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Here is a representative illustration of RF .22 LR using very good ammo ( RWS 50 40g) vs. FX Boss .30 caliber using JSB 44g pellets at 100Y outside at my local range.

Anschutz 1907 .22LR
FX Boss .30 Smooth Twist

Two 75 shot ‘scoring’ side by side comparisons.
Source: AGN “In the rings” slug challenge thread

Boss - Average CTC is 1.25”
Annie - Average CTC is .806”

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Note: Mike’s .25 Scout shooting Altaros 60g slugs or Steve’s Thomas slug gun shooting 38-40g slugs, is much more of a current reflection of “how far” the gap has been narrowed between RF and high end slug shooting air guns have come at 100y shooting distances. Pellets can’t compare IMO.
 
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I am not a pcp guy but a springer benchrest guy. But I am also a long time powder burner centerfire bench shooter at the Nat'l level. I think it important to keep the context straight. If we are talking 100 yds here a pellet will not compete as a rule with a slug or a .22 rf . Now a high end PCP slug gun will compete with a .22 rim fire, see post #10, and at times be even better. If you want all your groups to look like 1 ragged/ or not hole, you need to step into a powder burner like a 6 PPC. Regardless, for top end success at 100 yds it will not be consistently feesable without windflags unless you have access to a 100yd tunnel. Springer, PCP, .22 rimfire, centerfire powder burner........All different with different capabilities. If you think windfalls are a joke then there is a joke somewhere but it's not the windfalls. I saw the comment about I can't read or remember all the flags. Very simple, 2 or even one flag gives you a huge advantage over no flags. Never forget the big danger....You don't know what you don't know. But even worse......Your unwilling to learn.
 
Although probably not the best posted here on AGN, this is the “art of the possible” at 105Y with PCP slug gun shooting the BEST, most ACCURATE slugs currently available. @Altaros is currently state of the art in PCP slugs. This is the .25 @Altaros Queen 60 grain at 880 fps. Gun was @Skout-airguns Evo with @athlon_oved Cronus scope. Two five-shot groups under 1/2 MOA and the third at 1/2 MOA. Wind swirly L-R at about 6-8 mph gusts to 12. I’m getting about 0.245 to 0.250 BC G1.

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That’s awesome about how much do you pay for the Altaros 60 grains, I never seen those before who you get them from
 
100 is "fairly simple" with a Anschutz bench .22 compared to either of those guns . (using CCI standard .22 )

100 is "fairly simple" with a Anschutz bench .22 compared to either of those guns . (using CCI standard .22 )
I didn’t take a pic of my 100yd groups, but I did keep a pic of my Anschutz 1416 compared to my
100 is "fairly simple" with a Anschutz bench .22 compared to either of those guns . (using CCI standard .22 )
I didn’t save any 100yd pics of groups shot with my Anschutz 1416 but I did save 50yds groups I wanted to compare lr to the airgun.

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A best case comparison with 22rf and pcp using slugs is with all out BR rifles like the latest iteration Thomas slug and a equivalent 2500x rimfire designed specifically for benchrest.

Maybe by now Mike N's newest Thomas slugs guns are up there in precision with the best 22rf's and lot tested ammo. It's going to be close.

The problem with my 22rf and ammo is the 22rf ammo is not lot tested, my Anschutz isn't a BR rifle, and it's lightweight being designed for Biathlon comps. Plus I can't shoot up to either guns full potential in the wind.

Had a couple 6mmPPC's and even for me .3" wasn't hard at 100Y. IIRC for the top competitors the average group size for a whole match can be in the .1's which is mind boggling.