Beeman FWB 124/127 Jnc; how many are there?

[DualMagMike]

The subject has come up before, but I wanted to see if we could come up with a decent number of how many FWB Jnc marked rifles we can account for. Of course it will not be definitive actual number but wanted to see just how many of you have them or know of. Between what you own, had owned, or know definitively of how many are there? Some older Blue Book of Airguns state just 25 were produced but that footnote has vanished some years ago. The actual number seems to be a fair bit higher, several dozen possibly more. I guess I have heard/seen of a dozen or so myself, how about the rest of you?

I have two Jnc marked rifles, one is a 124D and the second seems to be an extremely rare 127D. As far as the 127 Jnc models go I have seen just one other definite one and heard of “possibly” one other. That’s not to say that’s all there are but that’s all I can account for on the 127 Jnc’s. R Beeman mentioned less than 5% of the Jnc stamped guns were 127’s.

So let’s see or hear about them, the ones that are reliable and not just random hearsay. 



my 124D Jnc 

127D Jnc

 

[crowski]

Can’t help on guns. Love the history. Thanks for the share. Good luck. Crow 

 

[c801tfd]

Here is my FWB124 Sport Deluxe, #15246 made sometime between 1977-1978, San Rafael stamped JNC, with BPA S82 peep sight.

 

 

[houston]

Probably less LH stocks sold on the fwb 124 / 127

 

[GoldenStateAIRGUNer]

I have a Jnc 124D ! Probably made in early 1978.

Before the muzzle brake.

 

[DualMagMike]

Not talking about stocks, looking for the very specific misspelling of the Inc stamp to Jnc. 

 

[GoldenStateAIRGUNer]

 

[Guest]

Are you sure the "J" instead of "I" isn't just the machinists (whoever made up the die) way of avoiding confusion of "Inc" with "1nc"? He may be using the "J" as substitute for the pre National Socialist Sutterlin font where capital "I" is very similar to our modern "J"...He may not have known what "incorporated" meant but that "1nc" was wrong, and given the production era of the 124 he would been familiar with pre war calligraphy?

 

[DualMagMike]

:/ quite sure have you ever even heard of these, looked at the stamp or read what I wrote about at one time just 25 were claimed to have been produced? 

 

[GoldenStateAIRGUNer]

Are you sure the "J" instead of "I" isn't just the machinists (whoever made up the die) way of avoiding confusion of "Inc" with "1nc"? He may be using the "J" as substitute for the pre National Socialist Sutterlin font where capital "I" is very similar to our modern "J"...He may not have known what "incorporated" meant but that "1nc" was wrong, and given the production era of the 124 he would been familiar with pre war calligraphy?

The issue isn't to dabble into the minutiae of "J" versus "I". Your probably right. Some machinist grabbed the wrong letter die after a night of bratwurst and beer. After punching out who knows how many JNC receivers somebody yelled out " stop the press " ! The moral of the story is don't drink beer and make airgun receivers.

 

[Jackbnimble]

I recently purchased my first Fwb 124, and I don't understand the significance of a Jnc stamped receiver.

 

[GoldenStateAIRGUNer]

I recently purchased my first Fwb 124, and I don't understand the significance of a Jnc stamped receiver.

In reality, it just adds a little value because of the misstamp. Kind of like coins that are struck improperly or double struck.

 

[Guest]

The consensus opinion is that it's a miss-stamp, limited to only a few guns, 20 or so and so a unique and desirable detail. Dual Mag will clarify, but I think the guns are otherwise the same? I had wondered if it's just due to older german script sometimes substituting "I" of "J"...now I'd think not however, that it is a miss stamp...?

 

[DualMagMike]

It is not an opinion it's a well documented fact and can be easily followed on forums and on Beeman's own web page as well as older Blue Book of Airguns. The Jnc is a typo on some FWB 124 and 127 rifles, 127's seem to be extremely rare. What was supposed to read Inc was stamped incorrectly as Jnc and is a desirable collectible to some FWB & Beeman collectors. The stamp will only be found on San Rafael rifles and as mentioned above has the ability to increase value by a fair margin for those who seek out rare and unusual guns. 

 

[captainfun]

I just obtained a 124D yesterday and in looking for some info about this gun I’ve never heard of I joined this site. As I paw through the comments looking for info on a rebuild I came across this conversation where I realize I now own a Jnc marked rifle. Sounds like they are pretty rare and desirable. I am curious what a realistic value is on this gun?

 

[captainfun]

 

[GoldenStateAIRGUNer]

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Congratulations! What are the first three digits of your serial number? Just curious how close it is to mine. Mine is 153. Let's see some more detailed pictures in order to determine value ? Also..welcome to the site !

 

[captainfun]

Thanks Golden, first three digits are 146, sounds like they have pretty close birthdays. I graded it as close to 100% as anything I’ve ever seen. The only cosmetic flaws are the discoloration in the white spacers and some oil stains at the front action screws. I graded it at 95%. This came into the shop with a few other guns which I graded and priced for my boss. When I was done I told him I was interested in it and offered $400 but he handed it to me and said merry Christmas. I was pretty psyched not really knowing what it was but knowing it was well made and attractive.

 

[captainfun]

 

[captainfun]

Honestly I really don’t know that much about Airguns. I did read in another post that if the original seals are intact I should replace them. Seeing how much of a pain in the ass that can be I understand that I can determine if the seals are original by looking down the transfer port with a flashlight. The only thing stopping me is that I have no idea where that port is, haha! Can someone share a photo of what I should be looking at? Thank you in advance.