Average Joe -Target Accuracy - 2 New Rifles - My Back 5 Acres

[Jim81]

Within the last 2 months I have purchased two new rifles. (I am seeking an addiction support group) One is the Brocock Commander ,22. The other is a Leshy 2 .25 with 250mm Barrel (That's short). Neither rifle has been adjusted modified, etc. I shot them the way they came out of the box. I shot them one after the other, the same day, the same bench rest, the same weather, etc. The pictures I have included show shots taken at 25yds and 50 yds with the rifles. The 'best' shot accuracy, trying three different pellets, with the .22 is the first picture. The commander liked the Diabolo Exacts best. Hades and Jumbo Beasts were not as good as what you see with the Exacts. Every shot POA was where the lines intersected on the Scatter burst target.The immage below shows those shots. Sometimes POI was right on the POA but it varied a great deal .In about 25 shots only about 3 or 4 were exactly on the intersecting lines. If the pellet struck any 2 of the 4 intersecting lines I judged that to be right on target.

I didn't do exactly the same thing with the Leshy 2 as I know it is more accurate than the Commander. I should have. My bad! This next Immage shows 6 shots, the one solo 'flyer looking' shot was taken before the group shots, but that's darn near pellet on pellet. That was with standard run of the mill Hades .25 coming out of the Leshy 2.

Now I moved to 50 Yards and the differences are more distinctive. The below picture shows the grouping from the Commander. The POA was the center of the red square for all shots.

Now the grouping from the Leshy 2. POA was the center of the red Square.

Draw your own conclusions. Presently mine are, if I am going pesting for a Dairy Farmer I best leave the Commander at home. Next is chrono work on both rifles hoping to get more consistent shots.

 

[dizzums]

are those 1" squares? .. the bottom one is alright the other one is pretty atrocious lol .. just keep workin on it, im sure things will improve especially with the leishy .. as it stands my stormrider 177 would be given it a run for its money at 50 with wallyworld 6$ premeirs .. just sayin ..

 

[Ezana4CE]

@Jim81 The Brocock Commander is a capable gun, more than capable of producing pellet on pellet groups at 50 yards. What sort of rest are you using when shooting from a bench and table? Are your shooting surface and seat stable? I’d like to see what speed you’re shooting those pellets at. Also, which power setting were you shooting on? What’s the reg set at? Don’t count the Brocock out. I have a Brocock Bantam Sniper HR that shoot lights out shooting JSB Diabolo pellets if I do my part. I performed some adjustments and even with a faulty regulator it still shoots phenomenally. I know other members who shoot much better than I do with a Brocock. 


It’s also almost laughable to ask people to compare a group using a single POA to a target where you aimed at different point of the same target or same type of target. Shoot some groups with the Commander and post them later to draw comparisons and conclusions. I just re-read your post. I thought you were shooting at the intersecting lines again at 50 yards with the Brocock Commander. My mistake. That Brocock group doesn’t look too good. It really looks like something is wrong. Maybe recheck your zero on your scope, make sure your scope mounts are tightened down, or clean the barrel. Something is wrong if that’s what happened when you aimed at the red square at 50 yards. I’m curious to know what the issue is. If you prefer the Leshiy, I can understand that. But trying to crap all over the Brocock Commander considering what you’re posting isn’t flying. No knock on you, but people who know those guns know what they can do. 

edited to post photo. I’m not a great shot, but this is a target shot in moderate wind gusts at 50 yards from standing behind a tripod with my Brocock Bantam Sniper HR .25. We don’t have the same gun or caliber, but we may share the same platform. It isn’t my best and not my worst target. With that said, it isn’t the gun’s fault that my target looks like this. Keep working with that rifle. 

 

[elh0102]

Jim, best I can tell, neither rifle is shoting well right now, or, you're not shooting them very well. Both are capable of much better performance, assuming the rifle is the issue, rather than you. Proper tuning, good barrel maintenance, and the right pellet. 

 

[Raider03]

The way they came out of the box?

Clean the barrels, not uncommon to have "grease" in new barrels.

 

[L.Leon]

The Commander can definitely shoot better than you're showing. Something is wrong... Average Joe accuracy at 25 yards with the Commander would be a dime sized group at worst. At 50 yards that Commander is capable of 3/4" or better with a good shooter sending and good conditions. Forget shooting at intersecting lines and just pick a POA and send multiple rounds, while paying attention to your form or lack of. The shooter is typically the weak link, if the equipment is solid. I've gone pesting for dairy farmers with both of my Brococks. Hundreds of rats would testify to their deadly accuracy if they could, kills from 10 to 55+ yards. 

 

[L.Leon]

Double post

 

[Jim81]

DIdn't intend to step on anyones Brocock parade. I chose Brocock because of the good things with my Daystate. I am shooting from a solid bench off a Caldwell rest. I can produce a group as good as anyone else at 25 maybe even 50 yds, except the competition shooters. My FX Dreamline Compact Tactical can hit those intersecting lines, with me shooting it , darn near every time at 25. Can do the same with the Daystate and the Prophet. I don't think it's me for that scatter the Bricock is throwing..

Glad you are having good success comparing this with the Sniper. Isn't that a little bit comparing a golden delicious apple with a red delicious apple., I too have heard good things about the sniper. Wish I had chosen the sniper..

Kind of miffed about many jumping to it's got to be my shooting. Appreciate the positive comments about what might be wrong and how to sort it out. Frankly, one should not have to sort out a 'quality' rifle. It should work coming out of the box. Shouldn't any $2K rifle shoot better than this out of the box. Particualrly when it comes from the parent company Daystate. 

That's my experience so far...and I am sticking to it!!

 

[Ezana4CE]

DIdn't intend to step on anyones Brocock parade. I chose Brocock because of the good things with my Daystate. I am shooting from a solid bench off a Caldwell rest. I can produce a group as good as anyone else at 25 maybe even 50 yds, except the competition shooters. My FX Dreamline Compact Tactical can hit those intersecting lines, with me shooting it , darn near every time at 25. Can do the same with the Daystate and the Prophet. I don't think it's me for that scatter the Bricock is throwing..

Glad you are having good success comparing this with the Sniper. Isn't that a little bit comparing a golden delicious apple with a red delicious apple., I too have heard good things about the sniper. Wish I had chosen the sniper..

Kind of miffed about many jumping to it's got to be my shooting. Appreciate the positive comments about what might be wrong and how to sort it out. Frankly, one should not have to sort out a 'quality' rifle. It should work coming out of the box. Shouldn't any $2K rifle shoot better than this out of the box. Particualrly when it comes from the parent company Daystate. 

That's my experience so far...and I am sticking to it!!

@Jim81 I hope you didn’t feel that you stepped on my toes and let’s forget our egos. That’s part of that reason I posted a mediocre group. Second, to address the above statement in bold, it seems as if you may not realize what you have. Take a look, I believe the Bantam Sniper and the Commander essentially the same gun with different configurations.





https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VfhA7JWzYlY

(for explanation start around the 12:35 mark)






My statement was regarding the possibility that you may an XR where as I have an HR. Your money, your guns, your prerogative. Posting on a public forum will elicit all sorts of responses. It appears you’ve been a member long eneough to know how this goes. Take what’s been said for what it’s worth. You have a good rifle is what I’m saying and something may be wrong with yours. If it’s new, hopefully your warranty will cover repairs if in fact something is indeed wrong with the rifle if it isn’t a scope issue or dirty barrel issue

 

[L.Leon]

@jim81, maybe there is something wrong with your Commander... Brococks are good shooters, but I agree that any 2K rifle should be good to go, out the box. I hope you can sort it out or get satisfaction from the vendor. 

 

[boscoebrea]

I have a Brocock Concept XR in .25..it can stack them at 25 yads with no problems....

Some other posters have also had problems getting their Brocock XR models to group good.

I wouldn't give up on it until you have tried other pellets and given it some more time,if that does not work out send it back.

I would expect more from it, Good luck, and hope all works out for you

 

[Dairyboy]

Wow kinda shocked to see the shooting ability thrown at you so much. If you can post groups shooting a Leshiy2 like that which smaller guns putting out the power they do is harder to shoot, then to me clearly shows something isn't right with the Brocock.

 

[elh0102]

Jim, in my previous post, I was not pointing to you as the problem. I know nothing of your ability or background, but the shooter is always a variable that has to be evaluated. 

 

[Jim81]

In case you didn't notice I have tried 3 different JSB pellets. I have not tried the 'redesigned' but Hades, Exact Diabolo, and the JSB Beast were all through it one after the other on the targets you saw. 

I am convinced from the responses that it's good gun and I will try to get it to shoot where it's pointed. IT's had two different scopes on it. One was just average but the othere was the Bushnell Pro. Made no difference in the performance.

 

[Batman2]

Watch AoA review videos they state single load them for best accuracy when target shooting at 50 yards. 

There are YouTube videos posted with others who have experienced sub standard accuracy but they all must have just gotten bad ones or are terrible shooters or just don't want to single load.

If it don't shoot good then send it in for warranty and keep on sending it in till you get a replacement that shoots good or better magazine or single load when target shooting like AoA says to do.

Should expect atleast an inch or better at 50 yards when spending over $1000 on an air gun.

Now I don't feel too bad with shooting a Benjamin Maximus and Fortitude atleast their groups can be covered by a quarter at 50 yards even with their terrible triggers and I really hate to think the Brocock surely can't be that bad.

Also have a Gamo Urban does alittle smaller than quarter sized groups at 50 too.

When a semi auto shoots better groups than bolt action or side lever there's definitely a problem.

 

[wyshadow]

I'm 100% sure Jim81's shooting ability is not in question. Most of us keyboard commandos have never place in the top three at RMAC or EBR. Several months ago I bought a used XR and was disappointed at how terrible it shot at 50 yards. I knew most had good luck with brocock so I didn't give up on it. I found out the Brocock needed the barrel absolutely spot less which is a first for me.

 

[Wr250r]

Shoots like a shotgun. I would be pissed.

 

[Ezana4CE]

In case you didn't notice I have tried 3 different JSB pellets. I have not tried the 'redesigned' but Hades, Exact Diabolo, and the JSB Beast were all through it one after the other on the targets you saw. 

I am convinced from the responses that it's good gun and I will try to get it to shoot where it's pointed. IT's had two different scopes on it. One was just average but the othere was the Bushnell Pro. Made no difference in the performance.

@Jim81 Please post what you find to be the issue. You really have me wondering what might cause something like this. I wish I could point you in the direction of specific ammo that I’ve found to be accurate, but we’re shooting different calibers. 

 

[Jim81]

OK on the barrell spotless. I'll give that a try after chrono. Some of my PCPs get hundreds of rounds through them before it affects accuracy. Perhaps this is a horse of a different color. Thanks.

 

[L.Leon]

Watch AoA review videos they state single load them for best accuracy when target shooting at 50 yards. 

There are YouTube videos posted with others who have experienced sub standard accuracy but they all must have just gotten bad ones or are terrible shooters or just don't want to single load.

If it don't shoot good then send it in for warranty and keep on sending it in till you get a replacement that shoots good or better magazine or single load when target shooting like AoA says to do.

Should expect atleast an inch or better at 50 yards when spending over $1000 on an air gun.

Now I don't feel too bad with shooting a Benjamin Maximus and Fortitude atleast their groups can be covered by a quarter at 50 yards even with their terrible triggers and I really hate to think the Brocock surely can't be that bad.

Also have a Gamo Urban does alittle smaller than quarter sized groups at 50 too.

When a semi auto shoots better groups than bolt action or side lever there's definitely a problem.

Watch which videos @batman2, There you go again. Have you ever shot any Brococks? Substandard accuracy? Unless you have personal experience you’re pushing boobtube reviewers hearsay. Check Dana’s in the field reviews of two different Brococks. He sets the in the field standard. I’m calling out your Brocock bashing. Single loading for maximum accuracy is not particular to only Brococks. Unless you have personal bad experiences with the brand, give it a break.