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Attempting to rescue a bad barrel - the SPA M25 in .35 cal

Well I finally got a chance to revisit the .35 cal SPA M25. It's been mothballed for a while....when I set it aside, it was still producing poor groups after having taken a first pass at correcting the poor factory crown and working the bore with a cast lap. That history is covered in this 2023 thread if anyone is interested:

My lingering suspicions were with the threaded stub at the muzzle:
00 the suspect.jpg

Pushing through a pellet, I could feel it relax a little right at the end, which is a pretty typical byproduct of removing material from the OD for the threading operation.

Some the available options to deal with this problem are:
  • apply a choke - I just haven't had much success with this in the past.
  • lap the bore - it's one thing to pour a cast lap and work out a tight spot, but when the tight spot is 98% of the length of the barrel, no thanks!
  • chop off the offending threaded portion - this approach is the easist solution, except that I want to retain the factory shroud and LDC.
  • replace the barrel - probably the best option in terms of odds of success, but I'm just not inclined to spend that kind of money and machining time, at least not until I've tried addressing the known deficiency of the OEM barrel.
So out came the hacksaw...
01 chop barrel.jpg


And then on to making an adapter that fits over the end of the barrel and provides the threaded feature for attaching the shroud and LDC. A few operations into turning it from a piece of 1" aluminum rod stock:
02 adapter.jpg


For a novice like me, single point threading on a manual lathe is a bit nerve-wracking but I like this method. Mount the cutter upside down and run the lathe in reverse so the carriage is autofeeding away from the workpiece. Easy peasy.
03 adapter threaded.jpg


Here's the end result.
04 adapter installed.jpg

The attractive machined finish is gone because I did some final shaping on the OD with an emery wheel and files. Why? Well, I wanted to use grub screws to secure it to the barrel, which meant I needed the wall to be thick enough to thread...but that meant it would barely fit through the shroud, blocking rearward airflow and rendering the shroud ineffective. So what I did was thin out the wall everywhere except in four little anthills where each of the grubscrews is located. It ain't pretty but it works, and thankfully no one but me will probably ever see it.

Back to the barrel itself. In the lathe, faced off the end to get rid of the rough hacksaw cut. Then applied a crown with the brass screw method:
05 barrel crown.jpg

I don't care how many times I see it, there's just something satisfying about a crisp crown.

Then poured a cast lap:
06 lap freshly cast.jpg


And proceeded to work the bore:
07 lapping fixture.jpg


Even with a fairly aggressive abrasive, the work goes slowly. A generously long lap is good for maximizing the scrubbing action:
08 cast lap used.jpg


While I had it apart, I looked over at the hammer spring and decided to see about addressing the annoying hammer bounce with a simple SSG. Started by taking a piece of scrap stock and making a spring retainer. Simple stepped part dimensioned to the spring ID and OD, center drilled and tapped. Parting it off in the lathe:
09 SSG spring retainer.jpg


Threaded a piece of 4mm brass bar stock on each end and drilled a clearance hole in the end cap. The parts laid out:
10 SSG exploded.jpg


Dry fitted together:
11 SSG assembled.jpg


Back into the gun:
12 SSG cocked.jpg


Then making room for it in the stock. Took a 24" long 1/4" drill bit and bored out a hole for the SSG, followed by some hand shaping a bell mouth with a carbide burr:
13 stock prepped for SSG.jpg

Again, zero points for pretty.

Then some trial and error getting the preload tweaked for the velocity knee:
14 chrono.jpg


Ahhh, the flatulent hammer bounce is gone. But the burning question is, will it group now or will it continue to make buckshot patterns? Well, here's the first 50yd 5-shot group:
15 first group Hades 50y 0.88in.jpg

I mean, it's not a great group but it's the best group I've gotten from this rifle to date (0.88" at 50y).

Could just be a fluke but I'm hand pumping this beast so I decided to try one with the JSB domes:
16 second group JSB 50y 0.56in.jpg

That one measures 0.56" CTC...flirting with MoA. I'm definitely going to have to do more testing but these early indicators suggest a barrel of a very different character.

That's about it for now. My hope is this pictorial will provide at least a teaspoon of inspiration to someone to tackle a stubborn barrel and whip it into shape. This was a long post so thanks for reading.
 
You're awesome.

When I do just 10%* of the work you did on this gun — I already feel great about myself and what I was able to do mechanically speaking.

So, you have the right to feel totally elated, "HIGH"!

Even if you might not think of yourself like that....
It's just fascinating what you (and a few select others here) can accomplish with a gun. 🔆


Keep up the good work!! 💪🏼

Matthias


*10% — that's all I CAN do — I have my limitations...!
 
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Thanks guys, I do appreciate your kind words of encouragement.

I’m hoping to have some time this weekend to look into making a PEEK poppet and MDS nylon hammer. Even though it’s a >100fpe big bore, the recoil and muzzle report seems excessive so hopefully I can make it more enjoyable to shoot. My guess is I’ll quickly find a 100% plastic hammer will not be adequate, and I’ll need to switch to a hybrid metal & plastic for mass, but I intend to start with plastic and go from there.
 
Good job! You, like me, get your money's worth out of your mini lathe!

Ive seen that more than a couple times on factory threaded Weihrauch barrels. I cut them back, choke them rather tight, turn to diameter for threading, check the choke and add more if necessary, and then thread and crown. All of mine have done great.

Id bet if you added the slightest bit of choke to that barrel it would really tighten those groups up and be a lot less pellet picky. If you have a lathe and a press it's easy to do!

Good job on getting it grouping and retaining the shroud.
 
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Id bet if you added the slightest bit of choke to that barrel it would really tighten those groups up and be a lot less pellet picky.
After lapping the bore to be even, a choke at the muzzle is not as useful as with a barrel that has tight and loose spots down the bore. It is even possible to lap in a deliberate choke at the muzzle, or evenly from breech to muzzle. What you don't want is a breech end that is tighter than at the muzzle.
 
After lapping the bore to be even, a choke at the muzzle is not as useful as with a barrel that has tight and loose spots down the bore. It is even possible to lap in a deliberate choke at the muzzle, or evenly from breech to muzzle. What you don't want is a breech end that is tighter than at the muzzle.
Right, I agree.

But, a slight choke at the muzzle will still shoot as good or better, with a wider variety of pellets. I've found this to be true 100% of the time in my experience in adding chokes to my liking on my own guns.
 
Well, it has been a lovely long weekend with a good blend of family and shop time.

I'll open by saying I did not follow my original plan of trying a plain MDS nylon hammer. But I'll get back to that in a moment. First I'd like to touch on the barrel porting. The factory porting consists of a groove with 2 drilled holes:
01 barrel port - original.jpg


Since the barrel threads into the receiver, this arrangement is good for manufacturability because the factory does not have to be concerned with where the ports end up in relation to the valve's exhaust. In my particular case, the two ports unfortunately ended up at 3 and 9 o'clock, maximizing the distance and sharp turns the air must take to reach the pellet. So I drilled a 3rd hole in line with the valve and tried running it like that for a few days, but I knew the better approach would be to fill the groove with epoxy and mill a single large-ish port in line with the valve's exhaust:
02 barrel port - new.jpg


Without touching the hammer spring tension, this change yielded a 6% increase (110fpe -> 117fpe), in spite of the fact the new single port is smaller than the combined area of the 3 round ports.

Now back to the lightweight hammer and PEEK poppet. So why did I decide against trying a 100% plastic hammer? Well, I removed the OEM hammer and put it on the scale:
03 hammer - original 107g.jpg

Yikes. No way going from a Delrin poppet to PEEK is going to make it that easy to knock open. So I decided to just go ahead and make a 2-piece hammer with a steel core and MDS nylon body, and target a weight somewhere in the ballpark of a third of the original.

And, oh look, an offcut from a .177 Crosman barrel weighs about 24 grams:
04 metal core 23g.jpg


Drilling and turning the nylon body:
05 hammer in lathe 1.jpg


The finished 2-piece hammer weighs 33.6 grams, or about 31% of the OEM hammer:
06 hammer - new 33g.jpg


Then I turned a new poppet and selected a weaker valve spring (bottom) to replace the originals (top):
07 poppet.jpg


Then I reassembled and tried test firing it with no changes to the hammer spring preload. The new velocity?

0 fps. Haha, it barely blipped the valve, the pellet didn't move, and I could hear just a tiny psssssssshhh of air bleed out of the breech over the course of a few seconds. Okay I'm going to need some more hammer spring so I rummaged through my Cool Whip container of springs. Every spring even remotely close to the right gauge and diameter was too short, but I'm too impatient to wait to get some springs in so I picked out a couple and turned a little plastic coupler to join them end to end:
08 spring coupler.jpg


Reassembled into the SSG:
09 spring coupler in SSG.jpg


Ah, there we go:
10 velocity.jpg

258mps (846fps) with an 82.2gr pellet for 130.6fpe. That's up on the velocity plateau so I need to back it off a little, but even with it wasting air, the muzzle report is already noticeably less boomy so I'm happy with how it's going.
 
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