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It is a good scope for the price, if you get the opportunity to buy one for sub $200, it’s definitely worth it!

That’s a fact. We like to dial and it’s been great so far. I get what you’re saying about dialing with high end scopes but I’ve dialed with lots of scopes over the years that weren’t made in Japan. Some inexpensive scopes fail and some more expensive scopes failI. It’s not like we were dialing 4-5 revolutions and beating on it, it was just a few mils. If it’s got tactical turrets, we’re going to use them.

I wasn’t knocking the scope, as I said, Alex liked it, it’s been good so far and it’s the first one I’ve heard of having an issue...Just our luck!😁 

Typing this post actually made me remember to go to their website and look into returning it for warranty work. It really looks easy and straightforward to do. Get a return authorization number, print out the warranty form, which is short & simple, then send in the scope. I pay shipping there, probably $10 to Ontario, Ca. and they pay shipping back. The warranty covers, most everything not caused by the users abuse. They will inspect, fix or replace it. I’m cool with that, I guess we’ll see how it goes but I’m not anticipating any problems. 

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I gave up clicking Chinese made scopes due to several failing after constant clicking the elevation turret on $500+ Bushnell Engage branded Engage Chinese scopes. Longest lasted about a year constantly clicking daily.

I don't dial anymore as a personal preference it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when the turret will fail and everything eventually wears out even my USA Burris Signature scope turrets wore out and stopped clicking that's what you have warranty for. Ask the many happy Vortex Hawke and Athlon Warranty customers happy to send thesis in for new replacement scopes.

Beware MOST Discovery scopes only carry a 3 year Warranty and MOST TAC Vector only 5 years and Barra is extremely questionable if they honor their Lifetime Warranty. Scopes with Warranty conditions be sure to keep your original sales receipt in a safe place you may need it.


 
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I wouldn't worry one bit about Aims Sports as a customer friendly company since its the same company that sells new improved DAR Gen2 guns who voluntarily recalled all of their Gen1 guns and ate the loss due to teething issues similar to what some Avenger owners are having to deal with. 

I never advise anyone to click their turrets. I do admit to clicking Japan and European and USA MADE scope turrets though.

I had parroted not clicking my A6 scopes and only use holdover that's what the reticle is for.

Results may vary but I ain't taking any chances no matter how expensive the scopes I choose not to click with are.

I do like clicking Japan made scopes that still have Lifetime Warranty that still have comparable Japan Made replacements.

It's kinda NUTS not to buy scopes without Lifetime Warranties unless you are able to repair them yourselves. Not just an opinion it's a FACT!

I got 2 Vortex of different tier grade levels going back for Warranty Swaps and ONE of them hadn't even been mounted yet! I do not recommend this brand no matter Lifetime Warranty until they do something to address their QC issues because it just ain't right especially for the prices they charge for them.

I love to hear Leupold scopes failing after 20 years of punishment on their Springer though. Nothing lasts forever.

I genuinely worry about all of my March and Kahles scopes that I actually kept that don't have Lifetine warranties but I don't push those brands due to massive upside down value for their dollar prices and I too am stupid sometimes buying what I like. That's why I recently added more Hawke Frontiers and I most certainly won't be clicking them that's 4sure! They are pretty "BAD AZZ" in glass WOW factor like when you look through your first Alpha6 (the new ones not the old Frontiers).


 
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Athlon is very fast when it comes to returning scopes and often they will replace a scope instead of repairing it. Sometimes that can mean getting the high zutes next Generation! That being said I haven't returned any and that's out of many.

Like I've mentioned before, I've won my division in FT many times over the last 5 years dialing most of the time with my old Gen 1 Argos BTR, and the Gen 2 version has improved internals, and actually the best turrets I've run across so far for this price range. Mine was $369 MAP price back when I bought it and I've seen them for as low as $250 new at times.

Like I also mention, which is the most important aspect of scope ownership, "EVERYTHING" about the scope is everything! Don't buy a scope just because of glass, or brand, or this, or that, but choose the scope based on ALL it has to offer. For example I'm picky about reticles and that is a TOP consideration for me. Next is turret feel and do the lines line up correct to the lines on the housing, does it have a reputation for tracking well, THEN does it have good glass, the rest is just making sure the scope has the features I want for the application in mind. Yes, if I can step up in glass and retain "everything" else, as long as I can afford it, I'll do it.

Because of the above, that removes 95% of the scopes on the entire market, whether I can save money or not, I'm buying scopes based on my specific wants if at all possible. Been too unhappy with what I don't want just to save a few bucks, not anymore.

I have this certain brand of scope(non Athlon) that is a $450 scope on one of my air rifles, a 6fpe rifle that I only shoot to 50Y at on rare occasions, man that thing is a POS! It was given to me so I'm going to give it back, but if I had bought it I would have returned it immediately. The scope looks kind of cool but "everything" else about it is substandard for that price range. Just saying.
 
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@steve123, don't keep it a secret between you and YoDoyle. Which scope are you talking about? I own an Athlon Helos which I dial for elevation constantly zero problems. I also own an Aztec Emerald FFP which I use holdovers on. Only because the turrets don't seem as robust or repeatable as the Helos. Other than that the glass is comparable to the Helos. The IR is brighter and the reticle more useable at air gun distances than the APLR2 on the Helos. I definitely would not call the Aztec Emerald a POS. So why not state the name of the POS scope and why? You could be saving some one from making a bad choice. Both scopes have served me well out. I prefer dialing with the Helos but am just as accurate with the Aztec.
 
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Nothing wrong with a Vortex scope. They are clear and rugged. I have a crossfire II 3-12x56 ao that has been on two different RWS 34’s. First one has a vortek sub 12 kit and the other is factory config, no work whatsoever. So far, so good.

They all put out a few bad scopes. Even Leupold rushed some out with crooked reticles not too far back. It happens with any and all mass produced items. If your scope cost less than a couple grand, it was probably produced as fast as possible and rushed out the door.

At least Vortex does support their customers after the sale. 


I have nothing against a center point or leapers/UTG I have used several on springers. Leapers/UTG have been some of the longest lasting scopes on mag spring guns for me. But even the bottom end Vortex scopes, crossfires, have better glass than most anything in the same price range with the same features. A magnum spring gun eventually will break anything you put on it, I’d go with the clear glass with good warranty and repair service. 
 
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@steve123, don't keep it a secret between you and YoDoyle. Which scope are you talking about? I own an Athlon Helos which I dial for elevation constantly zero problems. I also own an Aztec Emerald FFP which I use holdovers on. Only because the turrets don't seem as robust or repeatable as the Helos. Other than that the glass is comparable to the Helos. The IR is brighter and the reticle more useable at air gun distances than the APLR2 on the Helos. I definitely would not call the Aztec Emerald a POS. So why not state the name of the POS scope and why? You could be saving some one from making a bad choice. Both scopes have served me well out. I prefer dialing with the Helos but am just as accurate with the Aztec.
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In what part of my wink did it make you think it was either of those??? No I won't say what brand the scope was because I don't want to piss a bunch of people off, it's not like the scope was broken after all, just what I consider a poor product. 

It's a matter of opinion, I have mine for certain reasons and so does each of us.

Yesterday I looked through a Tangent Theta 3-15, a ZCO 4-20, a S&B US 5-20, and a March 5-42, in a side by side, and YES there are tons of scopes on the market that are literally JUNK in comparison. 
 
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Having a scope that's not crystal clear and bright nor have a friendly eyebox nor fantastic sight picture is like paying for high priced prescription eyeglasses that aren't even the right prescription to your eyes. 

I still say people with poor eyesight are naturally more forgiving to junker glass which is actually a plus as long as they could comfortably afford it and paid what they were really worth IMHO. EXAMPLE Several PPL told me they thought their Helix and Titans (along many other mid to high priced scopes) were clear all the way that's how I know.

I am kinda partial to MARCH glass (SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE GOMER PYLE STYLE) however I don't push the brand due to their lack of Lifetime Warranty and the massive upside down value per dollar spent. I buy other high end scopes to actually keep that I don't hardly ever push even though they are truly BAD AZZ because of value to cost ratio. (AND due to the birth of the Tract Toric)

I only push clear scopes that I feel that are actually realistically worth the dollar spent.

I do believe (as of right now) the new HAWKE FRONTIER has the best Chinese glass money can buy (for a price). I would gladly push it if they were to ever to go on sale.

The only scope that's really worth paying full price for are the Tract Toric and Alpha6 for what you actually get based on their retail prices (even if you really insist on paying $393.29 retail for it when you can buy it for $229 shipped from eBay) IMHO.

Even if I was a paid sponsor for ANY brand of scope I would still say buy them from the cheapest place possible. The Wal-Mart Centerpoint $68.00 refurb Centerpoint 3-12x44 30mm PLT BDC was probably the best bang for the buck recently and worth $104 at Wal-Mart IMHO but probably wouldn't push them at $145 retail.

The Japanese Crimson Trace 3 and 5 series currently on sale for less than half price at MidwayUSA are absolute no brainers. They are now cheaper than even the Hawke Frontier.

This is how I really feel about buying scopes that are actually WORTH IT!

https://youtu.be/YBHQbu5rbdQ




 
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Yodoyle, how on earth you would pretend to speculate what someone sees that has lesser eyesight, or old vision, is an absolutely silly thing! It's high time you stopped believing, and even worse spreading, this ill conceived misconception.

Like I keep saying -CRAPPY GLASS LOOKS EVEN MORE CRAPPY THAN BEFORE, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!! I used to think those old $6 1970's 22rf scopes with plastic lenses were okay when I was young but they are laughable they are so bad now in my older years, lol.

Or here's the opposite - I can plainly discern differences in those four tier 1 scopes in my earlier post but they are all so ""fantastic"" it doesn't even matter because the IQ is such that, contrast is traded for resolution, and with tones mixed between them, these are all trade offs and there's no getting around it. The S&B US 5-20 should have the lesser IQ but the tone in it is prettier than the others to me which just goes to show that everyone's eyes have preferences according to the viewing pleasure derived. Sure when I was young I'm positive these scopes would have seemed like laser lithograph imaging. BTW the HM glass on 15x is beautiful.

If I don't have a use for most of the scopes on the market then WORTH IT to you becomes nearly WORTHLESS to me, real quick like. I could have had a Crimson Trace, a couple Alpha's, a Vortex Strike Eagle, etc, etc, instead of my March, but there's no way in hell I'd go with those others vs the March. Why??? for a lot of reasons, and which comes back to """EVERYTHING ABOUT the SCOPE is EVERYTHING"""!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's no perfect scope but we can certainly try to get the one that's close to it. 


 
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