@YO, I am trying to understand you’re saying Athlon Scopes, the Argos, Helos, Midas TAC, Ares, are all crappy overpriced scopes? That won’t stand up to repeated dialing? That you can dial at first but then over time they will crap out? There is a large base of Athlon users out there, and if this was the case we would definitely hear about it. They are top rated scopes with lifetime warranties. I would love to know where you are getting your information. You seem to have “vast” knowledge on lots of PCPs and scopes... Care to elaborate in detail, you post lots of anecdotes but little empirical data. Both my Aztec Emerald FFP and Athlon Helos BTR FFP, have been solid on the bench and in the field. I’m no glass “expert” both are comparable to each other. With the nod going to the Helos for robustness and better turrets for dialing. I’ve made kills with both scope out to 100 yards. Both scope are capable of acquiring and hitting very small targets out to 100 yards away. I shoot everyday and intimately know my scopes. So when I read what you’re writing you need to back it up. There is a poster here, I forget his name who has been using a Gen. 1 Argos in field target for a few years. He’s won many tournaments with his over the years. There are lots, lots of satisfied Athlon owners or you would hear about it. To the OP check out the reviews on bluelineoptics. The guy uses something more empirical than “bad ass” for scope reviews and ratings.