Are slug liners and slugs any advantage?

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In every way shape and form , but there are drawbacks as well. In an area where you don't have lots of room after a shoot should u miss, slugs can carry a farther distance as well cause more damage in close quarters. Pellets bc isn't super high and lose steam quickly. There are few groups offering slugs. Varmint knockers is one, as well as Nielsen specialty ammo. I currently use Nielsen specialty ammo for my 25 cal slugs. I am stretching to about 150 yards accurately. 
 
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I think it depends on your goal. There is nothing an air gun slug will do that a cartridge rifle will not do better. If you want to expand the limits of your air rifle, slugs might be attractive to you. But, if you are looking for the best hunting rifle for a particular application, I see no reason to attempt duplicating a role already perfected with cartridge ammunition. But, it's a hobby, have fun.
 
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Got wind? You want slugs. Want better long range performance? You want slugs. Want better stopping power at medium to long ranges? You want slugs. But heed TNT19's warnings they are far more dangerous projectiles. Slugs are more expensive add to that you will need at least a couple hundred to just get your gun dialed in so it's not cheap but then again neither are our guns. If you have the $ the time and the patients then airgun nirvana awaits.
 
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I think if you mainly shoot under a hundred yards, and that would be the vast majority of Airgunner, pellets get the job done, and done more easily and more accurately. Most high end airguns were designed to shoot pellets, so no experimentation required nor desired. Buy a tin of JSB and off you go. 

When you decide to go further than 100 yards is where the benefits come in with higher BC and therefore better wind performance. On a calm day, only slight benefit. Last summer on two consecutive weekends I connected with ground squirrels at 200 yards with .30 JSB pellets. But it was early morning and very calm. Any wind at all and I wouldn’t have even taken the shot.

Yes, I know there are videos of guys with their Impact “mortar” gun’s shooting 250 even 300+ yards and occasionally hitting their target, and that’s pretty cool. Nothing like a 15 foot holdover at your target to get the blood pumping. The only way to reliably do this is with slugs... And it is fun, setting up your shooting table, rest, bags, canopy, cooler, stereo, refreshments and all that. Its a social thing that looks like an entertaining day... and it’s one version of “pesting”... Not my usual hunting or pesting style, but whatever floats your boat.

As far as cost, with Nielsen at 275 slugs for $19 in .25 caliber, they are cheaper than .30 caliber pellets...
 
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I think it depends on your goal. There is nothing an air gun slug will do that a cartridge rifle will not do better. If you want to expand the limits of your air rifle, slugs might be attractive to you. But, if you are looking for the best hunting rifle for a particular application, I see no reason to attempt duplicating a role already perfected with cartridge ammunition. But, it's a hobby, have fun.
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Not true. My Impact MKII 22 shoots tighter groups at 200 yds better than any of the serious/competitive rimfire guys at my club can do. It does consistent sub-moa at 200 yds. I have the scope cam footage to prove it.

Best I shot at 200yds was 0.74".....recorded in scope cam.
 
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Best I shot at 200yds was 0.74".....recorded in scope cam.
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Bob_O, yes, we’ve seen your very impressive shooting at extended ranges. Better than 99.9% of us can do. But truth in lending, weren’t all your longer groups 3 shot groups? Nothing wrong with that, just say so when you’re bragging about your Long Range groups. The industry standard is 5 shots minimum (for a very good mathematically proven reason). When you say group size people just assume it was a standard group unless you say so. Thanks!

Also, Eric said Cartridge rifles, not Rimfire. And to be honest, even the best Airgun tuned to perfection can’t hold a candle to a good centerfire at 200 yards. Matt Dubber would be the first one to tell you that... have you seen his videos shooting .22-250 or .260 rifles at long range?
 
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Well, number of shots in a group is a whole different discussion. Safe to say I’ve had many 3 shot groups under 1/2” at 100 yards but very few 5 shot groups that were under an inch at 100 yards, and even then just barely under a inch. There is a HUGE difference statistically between 3 and 5 shots. Many books written about it by experts. If number of shots in a group don’t matter, why not shoot a 1/4” two shot group at 100 yards and say your gun shoots 1/4 inch groups? ;)
 
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Yes, without a doubt.

Bob, not criticizing. You do whatever you want. It’s your gun. All I was saying is when mentioning groups, you should state the yardage, number of shots, and group size. That’s all, and of course that’s my opinion. We all know what a good shot you are and we all like your videos. No disrespect intended. 

Mike 
 
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Another little note to add as it applies to slugs, if you are shooting around water? They fricken skip bad! I am talking 2 to 300 yds consistently every time with the 36 grn dimple nsa, I would not have believed it, but I watched it happen about 50 shots straight, my target was 200 yds and they were skipping 200 to 300 yds past that, so be damn careful about backstops with them is my point.
 
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What Bob is doing with slugs now at 200 yards and beyond is what Yarrah was doing with pellets 6,7 maybe 10 years ago at 100 yards. I marveled at Harry's 1/2" 100 yard pellet groups eons ago from his trusty BSA Hornet and I'm just as amazed with what Bob and others are doing with slugs at extended ranges now. Nowadays, a really good shot can turn in 1/2" to 3/4" groups @ 100 with pellets in a good RAW, FX or Daystate (I can even do it with my mk1 Wildcat) just like Harry did back in the day because technology has finally caught up with what they learned...great pellets, barrels, better regulators, harmonics etc have taken us to that next level.

All of the research that Yarrah and other fine marksman went through almost a decade ago is what we're all doing now as we figure out these slugs. Will we get help with our endeavor? $$$ drives the market and I'm sure the market is keeping an eye on the relatively small group of us who dig shooting pigeons with slugs at 300 yards. If it proves to be a viable market then more research will go into newer barrels and slug designs (and more power). Till then I'm afraid there's no magic bullet and we'll all have to do our own experimentation and stand in line for the newest liner FX decides to spoon feed us. For me, I'm gonna wait until somebody can get a .25 or .30 cal to shoot heavy slugs at 950 or better without any mods and do so with predictable accuracy. I think that's the next step and I can't wait until it happens! 

Cheers, Glenn in Texas






 
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The expense of bullets is a mute point . There is a thing called casting and anyone can get in on it relatively cheap . Then shoot for basically free with only time invested which is what a hobby is . There are quite a few molds out there that perform extremely well in just about all calibers from .172 to .5” . Now finding a rifle that will shoot them at a reasonable speed is another thing . 
 
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With last prices on NSA now is not expensive at all, almost the same than pellets. 

I was about to get all the kit for making my own, util Nick came with his new machine and prices... With so little time I rather be shooting than making slugs (for the moment)

And yes IME slugs make a big difference over 100y, less than that, no so much.


 
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Definitely using slugs has benefits and drawbacks. They absolutely hit harder than a pellet but not every gun can shoot them, which means you will be looking at dropping a pretty penny for one that will consistently. I have managed to get get my 25 caliber gauntlet to shoot the NSA 32.1 gr slugs at 920 fps. At 150 yards they are devastating for sure. Not sure what other regular barrels are gonna shoot slugs with any kind of accuracy. Next step for me is to buy some molds and make my own. Additionally, I am in line for dreampup with the bottle. 
 
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I think it depends on your goal. There is nothing an air gun slug will do that a cartridge rifle will not do better. If you want to expand the limits of your air rifle, slugs might be attractive to you. But, if you are looking for the best hunting rifle for a particular application, I see no reason to attempt duplicating a role already perfected with cartridge ammunition. But, it's a hobby, have fun.
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Not true. My Impact MKII 22 shoots tighter groups at 200 yds better than any of the serious/competitive rimfire guys at my club can do. It does consistent sub-moa at 200 yds. I have the scope cam footage to prove it.

Best I shot at 200yds was 0.74".....recorded in scope cam.
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Don't treat a rimfire rifle as a full blown cartridge rifle. Comparing PCP slug gun to a serious centerfire rifle is like day and night. The industry is not ready for the slugs. We need to wait for JSB to produce their slugs and that may push the industry forward.
 
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Maybe most people at my club just suck?

There's one guy at my club who can shoot.....he has a $10K+ rifle in .284 Remington that shoots 5 in 0.5" at 300yds...I watched him do it. His goal is 1" at 600yds.

I can hit the 6" steel plate at 600yds with my off-the-shelf 6.5 Creedmoor using factory ammo 4/5 shots. He said there's no need to handload with those results unless I want to compete.

Even he says that most centerfire rifles can't compete with my Impact shooting slugs at 100 or 200yds.

I don't know what else to say.


 
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