Are pellets the new 22 long rifle?!

[skygear]

Are pellets the new .22 Long Rifle?[/QUOTE]https://loadoutroom.com/48231/are-pellets-the-new-22-long-rifle/embed/#?secret=m5qOrRX3hP

Good article that raised a good question. Click the picture

 

[T3PRanch]

The writer clearly showed his lack of understanding when he commented on 1500 fps in air rifles as a positive factor since that seriously destabilizes the projectile when it passes through the sound barrier (twice as a matter of fact).

 

[Skillet]

Wasn't too impressed by the author's knowledge... Never heard of a "Sherman" airgun, and seeing Crosman spelled with two S's, always makes me wince.

He described period air pistols as "Lame". Guess he never handled a 150, MK-1 etc.

 

[texagdds]

I’m not so sure about the article - but the title works for me - I replaced my 22 LR with a PCP and haven’t looked back. 

Question about the aound barrier- if using slugs, wouldn’t the destabilization mitigate itself with the higher BC?

 

[Brian10956]

They are different tools for different jobs I use both . 

 

[skygear]

I agree with all points there and was chuckling as well when I was reading. Just took it as face value for the title though. I've been preaching use a PCP instead of a 22lr for years. 

 

[Bullfrog]

I think what this article represents is more significant than the content. Airguns, especially PCPs, are starting to go mainstream above and beyond the internet airgun community. There's a high likelihood that the internet firearm community, which is much larger than the airgun community, may end up "hijacking" airgun information and presenting it as their own as if they're the harbingers of something exciting and new. You'll notice that the most popular PCPs (as measured in sales beyond the hard-core airgun community) have been successfully marketed to the larger firearms community by getting those guns in the hands of Youtube firearm celebrities who previously had never shot a high powered airgun before. 

In some ways it won't be bad for us to the extent that the more people get involved with PCPs and the larger the industry grows, the more collective power airgunners will have to open up hunting opportunities in places they previously didn't exist. Yet there's also a likelihood of the spread of misinformation as people jump into the new trend with incomplete information or rush out info in an effort to catch more subscribers or keep up with the competition who's also reporting on airguns. 

 

[Mattblum]

Article wasn't bad. Does the guy know much about airguns? No. But ignorance is curable. The point he was making though, is an important one. Modern air
guns are effective tools. They are not toys. Even a "toy" bb gun can be pretty damn dangerous in the wrong hands. Air guns are very good for marksmanship practice in places that would not otherwise allow it. Like any other skill, shooting must be practiced if one desires proficiency. Air guns allow those of us who are unable to access the range regularly to practice. This is a benefit no matter what your preferred tool is.

The thing that I do fear is that as air guns move farther into the main stream, there will be more negative impact from know-nothing legislators. I'm hoping that we don't get popular enough for that to be an issue.

 

[addertooth]

His article is from 2016, he is pretty representative of the common public from 2 years ago. I bet when he wrote it, he was truly unaware that some big bore air rifles were dishing out 5 times the smackdown (FPE) of the venerable .22 long rifle. When the Marauder is at the range, other people are shocked what a tack driver it is. Painting the bull's eye at 50 yards is trivial, and I invite them to do it as well. A far cry from my old Red Ryder.

I think Mattblum has a valid point, as visibility increases for air rifles, there is always a risk that we are all one sensational story away from a new slew of regulations being applied to the use of air rifles. I even view a moderate risk from the states which now allow big game hunting with air rifles. At some point, a congressman will make the intuitive leap and say, "Hmmmm, if they are powerful enough to kill a hog or a deer, I wonder if it could kill a human as well". And then the real troubles will begin.

For now, we live in the Golden Age of air rifles. They are powerful enough for real use, but without all of the extra regulations. Our children, once they are adults may not be able to purchase some air rifles without going through extra process, similar to purchasing a gunpowder based firearm. Places like Chicago already have such rules in place.

 

[sonny]

sooner or later to much publicity will bring regulations and negativity to air guns

 

[skygear]

addertooth - NJ too.

the article is old. Jus popped up in my feed though. The knowledge isn't off for the general public. Ask around locally to you. You'll see. My neighbors and peers mostly have no clue. 

most of the current air guns, pop, co2 etc. can kill a human. If it can kill game, it can KILL period. 

 

[flynviking]

I didn’t know PCPs existed until 2016 when a YouTube channel I followed introduced me to the FX Wildcat. I was shocked a 22 airgun could be so accurate. I’ve been obsessed with getting a PCP ever since and now I’m the proud owner of an FX Royale 400. There are more quality products to choose from in the airgun world because the market has grown. It’s a great time to be an airgunner and the more the better as far as I’m concerned. The freedom hating states like NJ already restrict B.B. guns, more people owning airguns aren’t going to change those states.

I love my 22 rifles and my 22 pistols but if I could only keep one 22 it would be the Royale.

 

[CarlosMendez]

"sonny"sooner or later to much publicity will bring regulations and negativity to air guns
I agree 100 percent. Loose lips sink ships.

 

[T3PRanch]

From AirForce Airguns Site:
"The CondorSS easily delivers 90 foot pounds of energy in .25 caliber with the new and improved Ring-Loc ™ Valve system that increases maximum velocity and energy levels
The rifle is designed for quiet small game hunting and is used by various military and law enforcement for pest control of special tactical applications."

Believe me the Feds know and have known! As a matter of fact Pyramyd Air is a Military Contractor according to Documents found in a Google search!

"Dumb stunts posted to social media sink ships!"

 

[Guest]

No matter how you slice, we're treading a thin line. And if the federal law says they can't treat air guns the same as firearms, then how to some states and cities get away with it? I gave some positive points in the 18-page report I sent to the ODNR. Gotta finish updating it to send again. They have less range than firearms, thus less dangerous to humans, pets, and farm animals immediately outside the hunting area. The average air rifle has about the same effective range as bow & arrow. I think more accurate though? And quieter, so less noise pollution outside the hunting areas, which are getting fewer and smaller all the time. I think those points should be good sellers.

 

[PelletPusher]

I thought 9mm is the new 22LR. 9mm ammo price have dropped so low compared to other ammo, and almost all competitive shooting organizations consider 9mm the new entry level caliber. 

 

[wheelie]

Does this mean my airguns can be taken out of the house? They have not seen any outdoor shooting. LOL

 

[Birdo]

Funny stuff, there's room for both. I enjoy the PCP''s CO2's and the old springers too. But I also enjoy rimfire, especially the Henry pump action 22 with CCI Quiets. They are accurate, quiet, and put out around 45 fpe making them similar in power to the 25 cal PCP's.

The writer is no air expert and that's a bit laughable, but we have seen this for years from powder burner writers.

It's all good.