FX Anyone else notice the change in the Liner Lock nut on FX barrels?

I recently noticed on my newest FX, a .177 DRS Classic, that the liner lock nut rattles around a bit when placed on the liner (before screwing it into the barrel). I didn't recall noticing that on earlier FX rifles with this barrel system. Upon investigating I realized there are no o-rings in the liner lock nut. So I checked the schematic/parts list for the DRS and yep, for the part number indicated there are no o-rings inside.

But I was almost positive that the Maverick I owned a couple of years ago had two o-rings in the liner lock nut. So I check that schematic. Yes, the drawing shows two o-rings in the liner lock nut, but only for .177 and .22. For grins I checked the Impact M3 (yes, for .177 and .22) and M4 (same barrel as the M3), and Panthera/Dynamic/King (No). The interesting thing is that in all cases the part number hasn't changed.

I have had mixed luck with accuracy on FX rifles. Some have been great and others have not been as accurate as I had hoped. I have a couple of Crown Mk II's (in .177 and .22 that I consider to be extremely accurate (as the AGN 30/40 yd Challenge has shown). MY .22 Maverick from 3 years ago was also very accurate. The King I bought in .22 and changed to .25 was good, but not in the same class as the Crowns. I now have a DRS 500mm Classic in .177 that I want to turn into a Hunter Class Field Target shooter. I love the look and feel of the rifle. The problem is I can't get it to shoot like the Crowns. - or even the Maverick!

Obviously, the crowns have the Superlight barrel system with no "liner lock nut". There is nothing holding the end of the liner other than an o-ring in a spacer. When the liner vibrates on a shot (as any barrel/liner will) at the end of the vibration it returns to its original position.

That is different than if you have a liner lock nut screwed up tight to the end of the barrel. It seems to me that it is possible for the vibrating barrel end to not end up in its original position after vibration if there is just enough friction on the front of the barrel that only the largest amplitude vibrations have enough energy to overcome the friction and slip. ********* So, any play in the fit between the liner lock nut and the barrel liner can end up becoming POI shifts between shots or groups of shots! ******

Rick at Bagnal and Kirkwood (UK) found an older liner lock nut with o-rings that I bought. I will try that out to see if it improves my DRS. If not, I may be forced to either come up with a Crown-like liner holding system or go with a different barrel altogether!

Cheers,
Greg
 
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Hi Edward,
I wasn't trying to be inflammatory when I posted this. I was trying to identify a possible source of POI shifts in a single shot string.

The DRS is a great little rifle for the money. I really like almost everything about it. Once I found a tune I can leave everything alone and it shoots single digit ES and SD over an entire 80 shot string. Jack (of Jack and Jeff Sub12Airgunners) noted several years ago when making an FX Barrel for his Impact M2 that the liner lock nuts on the .177 and .22 seemed a bit loose so in his he put in a larger o-ring and adjusted the groove depth to squeeze the liner more.

If that is all I need to improve my accuracy I will find a machine shop to do that for me. But for now, getting an older liner lock nut with o-rings will allow me to test this theory on my POI shifts.

I was really hoping someone else would think about the liner lock nut being the source of the problem and add their thouhts/experience to a discussion.

Cheers,
Greg
 
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I umderstand that there is unlikely to be enough information to form definite conclusions, but I am curious as to how critical is the O ring sizing for 4.8 Shroud Guide 19802? This apply to Dreamline but I cannot find a different Streamline diagram.

O ring 4.8.1 O-ring 13,95x2,62 NBR 70.

I am chasing a small difference in accuracy between this Composite, versus the slightly more accurate Walnut. Both are .22s, same Huma regulator, power plenum, same velocity.

The O ring has not been replaced in several years, so I installed a #113 9/16x3/32" NBR 70 which is slightly thicker.

What are the thoughts regarding a bit more O ring conpression, on accuracy?

I assume that a more "tired" O ring's shrinkage may be the reason for the accuracy difference, so will give it a shot, but there must be many examples of this being tried.
 
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I umderstand that there is unlikely to be enough information to form definite conclusions, but I am curious as to how critical is the O ring sizing for 4.8 Shroud Guide 19802? This apply to Dreamline but I cannot find a different Streamline diagram.

O ring 4.8.1 O-ring 13,95x2,62 NBR 70.

I am chasing a small difference in accuracy between this Composite, versus the slightly more accurate Walnut. Both are .22s, same Huma regulator, power plenum, same velocity.

The O ring has not been replaced in several years, so I installed a #113 9/16x3/32" NBR 70 which is slightly thicker.

What are the thoughts regarding a bit more O ring conpression, on accuracy?

I assume that a more "tired" O ring's shrinkage may be the reason for the accuracy difference, so will give it a shot, but there must be many examples of this being tried.
Normkel,
I would tend to agree with your thinking. A little more o-ring squeeze there is likely a good thing. From the drawing it appears that the purpose of the o-ring is to keep the shroud centered on the barrel attachment. Then the o-rings on the liner (#4.6 in the drawing) keep the liner centered in the shroud.
The o-rings I am talking about are the #4.4.1's in the liner lock nut. I note that the o-rings are also only on the .177 and .22 barrels.

Cheers,
Greg