I am confounded as to why FX, with their liner system, has not introduced a .20 cal option. They do every other crazy thing, but not that crazy thing!
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Other Another complaint, 20 Caliber?
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Just in the last few months as i started doing some work again for others ... have done 3 caliber conversions for customers going .20 caliber 
In all 3 cases the reports coming back have been nothing short of extremely positive !!!
As a HUGE fan of the caliber for the 12-30 fpe power range, it simply gets the job done with less fuss than .177 or .22 generally.
In all 3 cases the reports coming back have been nothing short of extremely positive !!!
As a HUGE fan of the caliber for the 12-30 fpe power range, it simply gets the job done with less fuss than .177 or .22 generally.
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To add a little to a well said post... @Franklink and I have collaborated on a lot of testing and ideas and the 20 cal is among them. We have both tested pretty carefully and documented some of it here on AGN. As he has said, @ 20 ft lb, the 20 cal 13.7s have the lowest drag. This has been corroborated by others on here as well. Add to that that the old barrels I had on hand were ALL wonderful and we have some truly amazing and enjoyable airgun experiences.
I don't think anyone has said that a person can't live without one or that you need to go find one to be complete. I'm just grateful to own them and that JSB has made such great ammo. As a side note, I still have some Premier, 20 cal, 14.3s. They are EVERY BIT as good as the JSB's and possibly even better. Would be nice if Cros/Benj reintroduced them.
Seems like I read where Ed Wackerhagen, co-founder of Sheridan, was dissatisfied with the current offerings and set out to build a truly superior air rifle. He chose 20 cal because he considered the ammo to be a big part of the problem and since no one else made any, he could control the outcome for his very expensive and well built rifles. I don't believe there was any marketing of superiority of the 20 cal... only a combination of attributes of the 177 and 22 that were currently available.
Now Dr Beeman was a master marketer and made more than a few statements of its superiority. I definitely succumbed to a lot of his marketing early on but not that one.
Just some thoughts flying around in my head...
Bob
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A month ago I search for a HW100 20 cal and failed. If one was available I would have bought it. But the only thing I could find was on weihrauch‘a website that they make/made them, just not available anywhere.
Since I couldn’t find what I wanted I moved on and bought two 177 and a 22, all different manufacturers.
Since I couldn’t find what I wanted I moved on and bought two 177 and a 22, all different manufacturers.
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Just as an FYI .... ( So date stamp this as to when said as years go by )
As many of us know who can do barrel machining & retrofits, the cost of barrel blanks has gone up @ 50% these past 5 years or so. ( Lothar Walther in particular ) leaving a sour taste in our mouths & more doubtful to justifying the cost of re-barreling projects
Point to made is this ... As too the .20 cal 12g choked 16mm blanks we are currently receiving are ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS in the quality and bore consistency !!!! So as of this point in time, if wishing to rebarrel to a .20 the likelihood of getting a Great barrel is upon us !!
How long the QC / Tooling keeps up this high quality is any ones guess.
Scott S
As many of us know who can do barrel machining & retrofits, the cost of barrel blanks has gone up @ 50% these past 5 years or so. ( Lothar Walther in particular ) leaving a sour taste in our mouths & more doubtful to justifying the cost of re-barreling projects
Point to made is this ... As too the .20 cal 12g choked 16mm blanks we are currently receiving are ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS in the quality and bore consistency !!!! So as of this point in time, if wishing to rebarrel to a .20 the likelihood of getting a Great barrel is upon us !!
How long the QC / Tooling keeps up this high quality is any ones guess.
Scott S
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Glad to hear that. I recently got a couple tins of FTT in .25 They were perfect and in my opinion the best out there for a .25 springer.
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back in the mid 1980s my 1st air rifle was an R10 in .20 . One reason I like the .20 is it was easier for my fat fingers to pick up than .177 and I wasn't into 22 except 22LR. I still enjoy that gun. I guess I should probably stock up on some more pellets
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What I do not get is this ,why say anything if you do not like .20? As the testament here reflects many people love it ,why piss in our cereal , we need to support each other,it ain't hurtin nobody if we love .20cal.
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True. And I like 20 caliber to. Don’t have many though. But a lot of new members here should hear all the pros and cons before taking a leap. Isn’t that what it’s all about?
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ROTFLMAO!
My older sis is a sociology major and I asked her about that kind of behavior a while back. She said that people have an innate need to divide and discriminate. That it's part of our nature.
"That ain't a good truck because it's only a Toyota and I have a Chevy, or a Kawi ain't a good bike because it ain't a Harley". I remember the Mercedes crowd looking down on others at the trap range because we only had Remingtons, but the clays still got broken. The liter-bike crowd at track days looking down at the smaller bike riders (until we repeatedly passed them).
I've long been a fan of the .20 and the thinking behind it. If someone has a problem with that, then I offer them both sympathy and amusement. The problem is theirs. I am thankful that they've identified themsevles as someone that I'd rather not associate with. We is what we is.
Cheers,
J~
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Because of the Masonic conspiracy behind it. Wackerhagen and Beeman were trying to cram this sinister 5mm caliber down our throats to get us away from traditional .177 and .22 caliber rifles and further their heliocentric, one caliber goals of airgun domination. It's also why Benjamin air rifles were stamped "Benjamin Franklin" and early Crosmans had an octagonal receiver, so if you like it you're one of them.
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"Seek and you shall find" to elongate that saying people will find what they want to believe,modern interpretation, "It is what it is",or a nicer one, "It's all good".Choice is such a great thing.All we wanted was more choices.LOL.
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