Daystate Alpha/Delta Wolf Pellet/slug tunes

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I’m considering either a 23” HP Alpha wolf in either .177 or .22. I have many other “high end” rifles, but no personal experience or don’t know anyone locally with an Alpha or Delta wolf to ask.
Aside from the known onboard pre-programmed settings for common JSB’s 18 gr or 8.4 gr (etc) pellets, can anyone post the advanced shot settings you use for other pellets and slugs that you would recommend for accuracy….. from 12fpe up to the max for the caliber.
 
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I don't own a Delta Wolf yet, but from what I've seen you should take your desired ammo and start testing at about 850-870fps and shoot groups going up in velocity of 10-20fps until you find the best group. Apparently it takes a couple of shots for the gun to reach the requested velocity so I would not shoot the first 2 or 3 shots into my group test target. As far as the Advanced setting goes, read what Centercut has to say in this thread. https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/new-to-delta-wolf-questions.1304905/
There is also a Facebook users group that would likely have some tuning info for you.
 
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Corvid_hunter said:
I don't own a Delta Wolf yet, but from what I've seen you should take your desired ammo and start testing at about 850-870fps and shoot groups going up in velocity of 10-20fps until you find the best group. Apparently it takes a couple of shots for the gun to reach the requested velocity so I would not shoot the first 2 or 3 shots into my group test target. As far as the Advanced setting goes, read what Centercut has to say in this thread. https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/new-to-delta-wolf-questions.1304905/
There is also a Facebook users group that would likely have some tuning info for you.
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Corvid Hunter, thanks for your input. I will check out Centercut’s thread as you suggested. Fortunately I am very familiar with accuracy testing and setup of non-computerized rifles. You and I know that even in exact models, machining differences in each barrel can produce different results. Considering it would be virtually impossible for Daystate to provide recommended points for every new pellet and slug that comes out, I’m hopeful that others who have experience with Alpha/Delta advanced programming and have found the best accuracy setup with their gun would therefore provide a good starting point for bar, strike and dwell for different ammo. I’m sure Daystate customer service (and probably AOA) has been asked about this many times. If I “bite the bullet” and a ‘Wolf” shows up on my doorstep, I’ll see you on the Facebook group! Thanks again.
 
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NINCO1 said:
Corvid Hunter, thanks for your input. I will check out Centercut’s thread as you suggested. Fortunately I am very familiar with accuracy testing and setup of non-computerized rifles. You and know that even in exact models, machining differences in each barrel can produce different results. Considering it would be virtually impossible for Daystate to provide recommended points for every new pellet and slug that comes out, I’m hopeful that others who have experience with Alpha/Delta advanced programming and have found the best accuracy setup with their gun would therefore provide a good starting point for bar, strike and dwell for different ammo. I’m sure Daystate customer service (and probably AOA) has been asked about this many times. If I “bite the bullet” and a ‘Wolf” shows up on my doorstep, I’ll see you on the Facebook group! Thanks again.
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I just read Centercut’s background info and suggestions. That’s very helpful and great info and instructions as to how to lock in the your best accuracy and understand the limitations that will affect your shots. But here come the “but” …..I fully understand the fun, excitement, success and frustration of tuning a new rifle…. I’ve done it for more years than I care to talk about ….BUT, in order to prevent waisting loads of ammo setting up, how do I know where to start with lets say a 29gr NSA .218, or a 17.5gr .2165 with this shooting computer? That’s where info from others could help new Alpha/Delta owners with basic tuning starting points.
 
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As I understand it, and am possibly wrong, use the setting for the 34gr pellet and start shooting your 29gr slugs to see what they're like around 940fps. If you have the computer interface I think you can go in and check the voltage and dwell for those shots or tune and will have a reference point to work off of.
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Understand your suggestion….thanks! ….and, nice hit at 150!
 
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It would be great if some folks could post some existing tunes they have in advanced mode. Yesterday I gave a shot to advanced mode after reading this article explaining dwell time and voltage.

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But the problem I ran into was that tuning the DW in advanced mode is very cumbersome due to the poor interface. First, you cannot edit an existing preset. So you cannot just quickly change say the voltage on an existing set and shoot or save over it. You have to create a new set with the new values, name it and recall it. Of course you have to keep unlocking the display itself too. Very very cumbersome. I have a small software company on the side, and I know a tiny bit about UX (user experience regarding interfaces and other aspetc). This is a very poor design. The flow itself is bad.

Daystate needs to:

1. Add a screen where you can just keep changing any of the 2 values (voltage, and dwell time) without saving. Regulator pressure you can always change with a physical knob (up at least, down you need to depressurize the rifle).
2. Ability to delete presets. My understanding is you need the cable to do this.
3. Ability to save over an existing preset.

To implement the above would not take a lot of programming either. As it is right now you need to buy the £100 cable that should have been included with the rifle just to delete presets. By the time you get it here in the US that will cost you probably $150. That is a no good Daystate. Sorry guys but $150 for a cable that cost probably less than a dollar is a ripoff in my humble opinion.

Back to tuning, while tuning in advanced mode what ends up happening is you wind up with a bunch of garbage presets and a good 3 mins go by between two test shots once you figure out how to create a new preset. Creating a preset is not hard, but it takes time. The ability to just play with the values and when you have somethings THEN you save the preset is much needed.

Also, unlocking the screen is a bit too much. All you should need is rifle in safe to fire to safe, plus perhaps lever pulled back. With the lever back there is no way this thing will shoot. Why do you need to hold the trigger for 3 seconds?
 
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It would be great if some folks could post some existing tunes they have in advanced mode. Yesterday I gave a shot to advanced mode after reading this article explaining dwell time and voltage.

hardairmagazine.com

Learn About How PCP Airgun Internal Ballistics Work

Internal Ballistics starts with a pellet at rest. When the gun is fired, air pressure acts on the base of the pellet, creating a force to accelerate it.
hardairmagazine.com hardairmagazine.com

But the problem I ran into was that tuning the DW in advanced mode is very cumbersome due to the poor interface. First, you cannot edit an existing preset. So you cannot just quickly change say the voltage on an existing set and shoot or save over it. You have to create a new set with the new values, name it and recall it. Of course you have to keep unlocking the display itself too. Very very cumbersome. I have a small software company on the side, and I know a tiny bit about UX (user experience regarding interfaces and other aspetc). This is a very poor design. The flow itself is bad.

Daystate needs to:

1. Add a screen where you can just keep changing any of the 2 values (voltage, and dwell time) without saving. Regulator pressure you can always change with a physical knob (up at least, down you need to depressurize the rifle).
2. Ability to delete presets. My understanding is you need the cable to do this.
3. Ability to save over an existing preset.

To implement the above would not take a lot of programming either. As it is right now you need to buy the £100 cable that should have been included with the rifle just to delete presets. By the time you get it here in the US that will cost you probably $150. That is a no good Daystate. Sorry guys but $150 for a cable that cost probably less than a dollar is a ripoff in my humble opinion.

Back to tuning, while tuning in advanced mode what ends up happening is you wind up with a bunch of garbage presets and a good 3 mins go by between two test shots once you figure out how to create a new preset. Creating a preset is not hard, but it takes time. The ability to just play with the values and when you have somethings THEN you save the preset is much needed.

Also, unlocking the screen is a bit too much. All you should need is rifle in safe to fire to safe, plus perhaps lever pulled back. With the lever back there is no way this thing will shoot. Why do you need to hold the trigger for 3 seconds?
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I feel your frustration and there is a way to delete the presets that are user created. Let me know if you don't find it and I'll grab a picture. Also, give the Factory mode a try. It's really good IMO.
 
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EDventure said:
I feel your frustration and there is a way to delete the presets that are user created. Let me know if you don't find it and I'll grab a picture. Also, give the Factory mode a try. It's really good IMO.
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Yes! Please do shoot a picture of how to delete a preset. Factory mode is what I am using for now with the method centercut mentioned. It has first shot consistency. Worst I have seen was 20 FPS off target, which is good enough for me.
 
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Yes! Please do shoot a picture of how to delete a preset. Factory mode is what I am using for now with the method centercut mentioned. It has first shot consistency. Worst I have seen was 20 FPS off target, which is good enough for me.
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Swipe left from Screen 1 to access the Screen 2 screen. The rest is self explanatory.

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"learning all the time".....the immortal Benny Hill, and he was right. So, I've had my .30 Delta Wolf for 3 days and on day one I spent a lot of time trying to tune Corbin 50 gr slugs. Speeds 810-865 with mixed results. I measured the slugs and all were very consistent 7.62mm from the base up 3mm before beginning to taper so I thought I'm not going to discount the slugs potential their physical spec. is right on. I decided to watch some slug tuning videos and realized that the best results appeared to be 900fps and above.....so this morning I put the rifle at the extreme 3900us and 85V @ 170bar. To my chagrin shot a group of 8 slugs with bipod at 50 yards all within a 1.5" circle, no flyers which was the problem at lower speeds. Slugs do like speed! This afternoon I'm going to dial up the regulator to 180bar and see if I can get a tighter group using the lead sled, eliminating the only variable.......my average shooting skills. I hope to get the speed over 925fps.
 
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