"Aircraft" aluminum

Jeeze I get tired of seeing this phrase, "made of Aerospace aluminum".

Have any of you wondered what this phase "really" means ?

It means...NOTHING ! At least nothing that has any credibility as to its strength, that really means anything.

In my approximately 40 years of working in the Aerospace industry, in both the aero (aircraft) portion of the industry and the space part of the industry. I retired out of the "space" portion of the Aerospace industry, I've used, designed to be used, tested and recommended to be used, most all currently available aluminum. Even some custom, very high dollar materials. Along with MANY other materials.

A quick explanation.

Aircraft - In any given aircraft, jet engine planes, that are used in the commercial industry, military industry. Piston engines used in private planes... Both commercial and military, almost the entire gamut of aluminum that the aluminum industry produces, has it's place in aircraft. From the lowly 1100 annealed, to 7075-T6 (or T56), and many "custom"... grades of aluminum, that most never hear of. From the skins, to the honeycomb panels, to the floors, to the stringers, to the rivets. In both jet engine planes to piston engines and their planes, landing gear, most every part that you can think of and many that most don't know about, again, from the super soft, to the custom grades. The pistons in piston engines is much the same as used in some automotive piston materials.

Spacecraft - Pretty much the same things as above in aircraft. The honeycomb panels that make up the "buss" (or body) of most all satellites, soft aluminum ! Aluminum that has very little strength on its own. BUT...assembled the way that it is, a soft aluminum, will end up being very strong after it's "bonded" (glued!) together. The black box's, the bracketry that hold the wiring. Coolant tubes and their mounts. Brackets and hinges that hold the solar arrays and the antennas.

The material heat treatment - Some aluminum is heat treated to make it harder or tougher than it is in its natural state. There's cast, forged and billet versions of aluminum. Forged and billet is much the same production. The various heat treatments (including annealing) will make aluminum more ductile, tougher, malleable.

So, all said, "Aircraft Aluminum" can mean, from, soft window frames or honeycomb core, to landing gear parts that are designed to be both tough, strong. 

The next time that you read, "Aircraft aluminum" in the construction materials, there's NO need to be impressed.



Mike
 
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Most buzzwords like Military Grade mean nothing. It's just something they hung on the tagline to get your attention. I believe it was John Glenn, when asked what he was thinking when he sat atop the rocket about to be launched into space, said, "This was built by the lowest bidder".

Heavy industries set some kind of standard, and after that, it's lowest bidder. food for thought
 
6061-T6 is the typical grade of aluminum used in airgun and other parts. For those anxious to know the technical details:

6061-T6[edit]



6061-T6 Aluminum Standard Heat Treating Process

T6 temper 6061 has been treated to provide the maximum precipitation hardening (and therefore maximum yield strength) for a 6061 aluminum alloy. It has an ultimate tensile strength of at least 290 MPa (42 ksi) and yield strength of at least 240 MPa (35 ksi). More typical values are 310 MPa (45 ksi) and 270 MPa (39 ksi), respectively.[10] This can exceed the yield strength of certain types of stainless steel.[11] In thicknesses of 6.35 mm (0.250 in) or less, it has elongation of 8% or more; in thicker sections, it has elongation of 10%. T651 temper has similar mechanical properties. The typical value for thermal conductivity for 6061-T6 at 25 °C (77 °F) is around 152 W/m K. A material data sheet [12] defines the fatigue limit under cyclic load as 97 MPa (14 ksi) for 500,000,000 completely reversed cycles using a standard RR Moore test machine and specimen. Note that aluminum does not exhibit a well defined "knee" on its S-n graph, so there is some debate as to how many cycles equates to "infinite life". Also note the actual value of fatigue limit for an application can be dramatically affected by the conventional de-rating factors of loading, gradient, and surface finish.
 
Nice. I am glad to see some common sense and disdain for platitudes. I think the general public is somehow not satisfied with and not qualified to evaluate a statement like "we selected the best and most cost effective material for the product". They want some sort of social proof like we made the same decision as some sort of other expert.

Yes 6061 t6 or t6511 are the most common grades and sufficient for most things airgun. 7075 is great for low volume injection mold cavities. 7075 is also the best material for sight rails but most are made from 6061.

Cheers
 
When that statement of "Aircraft Grade" I always figured at MINIMUM 6061-T6 / T621 .... But also knowing 2024 and 7075 in there various tempers are more what said term should indicate.

Machining on them which i do time to time ABSOLUTELY shows there hardness, malleability etc ... Chips produced can tell you a lot of these basic structure differences.
 
I completely agree because most of my life in Machining was involved with military contracts. And 60% of it was aircraft. The military does use all different types of aluminum so yes the term military grade or aircraft grade doesn’t mean anything because they use different types of aluminum. And like Motorhead said you can tell by the chips when you cut it. 6061T6 Is the most common aluminum that we machined.But the soft aluminum Is sort of gummy and the 6061T6 will give you flaky chips on the milling machine.And machine actually much easier.At least I thought it did. I never did pay attention to these commercials that advertise military grade aluminum. I guess they think they got the majority of the public fooled.
 
Most buzzwords like Military Grade mean nothing. It's just something they hung on the tagline to get your attention. I believe it was John Glenn, when asked what he was thinking when he sat atop the rocket about to be launched into space, said, "This was built by the lowest bidder".

Heavy industries set some kind of standard, and after that, it's lowest bidder. food for thought

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Jeeze I get tired of seeing this phrase, "made of Aerospace aluminum".

Have any of you wondered what this phase "really" means ?

It means...NOTHING ! At least nothing that has any credibility as to its strength, that really means anything.

In my approximately 40 years of working in the Aerospace industry, in both the aero (aircraft) portion of the industry and the space part of the industry. I retired out of the "space" portion of the Aerospace industry, I've used, designed to be used, tested and recommended to be used, most all currently available aluminum. Even some custom, very high dollar materials. Along with MANY other materials.

A quick explanation.

Aircraft - In any given aircraft, jet engine planes, that are used in the commercial industry, military industry. Piston engines used in private planes... Both commercial and military, almost the entire gamut of aluminum that the aluminum industry produces, has it's place in aircraft. From the lowly 1100 annealed, to 7075-T6 (or T56), and many "custom"... grades of aluminum, that most never hear of. From the skins, to the honeycomb panels, to the floors, to the stringers, to the rivets. In both jet engine planes to piston engines and their planes, landing gear, most every part that you can think of and many that most don't know about, again, from the super soft, to the custom grades. The pistons in piston engines is much the same as used in some automotive piston materials.

Spacecraft - Pretty much the same things as above in aircraft. The honeycomb panels that make up the "buss" (or body) of most all satellites, soft aluminum ! Aluminum that has very little strength on its own. BUT...assembled the way that it is, a soft aluminum, will end up being very strong after it's "bonded" (glued!) together. The black box's, the bracketry that hold the wiring. Coolant tubes and their mounts. Brackets and hinges that hold the solar arrays and the antennas.

The material heat treatment - Some aluminum is heat treated to make it harder or tougher than it is in its natural state. There's cast, forged and billet versions of aluminum. Forged and billet is much the same production. The various heat treatments (including annealing) will make aluminum more ductile, tougher, malleable.

So, all said, "Aircraft Aluminum" can mean, from, soft window frames or honeycomb core, to landing gear parts that are designed to be both tough, strong. 

The next time that you read, "Aircraft aluminum" in the construction materials, there's NO need to be impressed.



Mike



Mike, I spent 30+ years in the aerospace industry in both testing and fabrication of parts for both military and commercial aircraft along with the Delta 2,3&,4. Aircraft aluminum just means it meets a certain specification for strength hardness etc. Commercial grade does not have the QA testing performed on a batch of material. The amount of testing required to qualify a manufacturer to become a material source takes a long time.